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Feb 3, 2014, 01:43
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What difference does it make...
In another thread I ran across this:

(I say restart computer instead of close Gimp because things from Gimp may linger, when you do a restart, everything should be like running Gimp for the first time of the day)

What difference does "for the first time of the day" make?

The reason I ask is that I have a generic Windows 7 laptop that I rarely turn off. I only close the lid and it hibernates or sleeps or something. And sometimes I may open and close Gimp two or three times in one day, in addition to closing up the laptop if I'm going to be away from it for more than a few minutes. Would I be better off restarting before I open Gimp each time?

Restarting is a big, fat, time-wasting, not-to-be-confused-with-the-flatbread PITA, , ya know!
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Feb 3, 2014, 02:13 (This post was last modified: Feb 3, 2014 02:13 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: What difference does it make...
Its great that you bring this up Smile

It can be beneficial if your computer isn't too slow(or is slow). Especially when you've recently updated your computer, sometimes it forces you to restart.

Of course standby is a faster shutdown, but all your doing is putting your current system state in RAM (programs & all) Any crashed/hanging apps visible or not may also be there when you resume windows. Heck, when I had my xp(512mb RAM) I seldomly restarted except for updates or freezes.

Short pre-face to link
When you turn on the computer its like your using it for the first time of the day & all default processes are running, nothing else. When you load programs most of them load into ram to load them up faster. If you're low on ram, restarting can also free up ram from less used programs.

To further concrete my reasoning here's a fun read, pictures & all, not too long (maybe a 3 minute read or less)
http://www.howtogeek.com/173760/htg-expl...-problems/
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Feb 3, 2014, 04:57
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RE: What difference does it make...
Thanks.

Two things:
One) Is there anyway to do that, to close Gimp so it starts over fresh but not have to restart the computer? I have noticed, on rare occasions, that Gimp gets all clotty and slow if I use it a lot in one sitting.

Two) RE: Concrete.

I found this Calvin and Hobbes bit that you might appreciate.

Calvin: I like to verb words.

Hobbes: What?

Calvin: I take nouns and adjectives and use them as verbs. Remember when "access" was a thing? Now it's something you do. It got verbed. . . Verbing weirds language.

Hobbes: Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding.

Thanks for the link, I'm now thoroughly confused. Should I trade in my Windows 7 machine for a new Windows 8 one. Or what? Take your time answering. I have to restart my computer so I probably won't be back for a while.
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Feb 3, 2014, 08:26
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RE: What difference does it make...
(Feb 3, 2014 02:13)iForStyle007 Wrote:  Short pre-face to linkWhen you load programs most of them load into ram to load them up faster. If you're low on ram, restarting can also free up ram from less used programs.

To further concrete my reasoning here's a fun read, pictures & all, not too long (maybe a 3 minute read or less)
http://www.howtogeek.com/173760/htg-expl...-problems/

This is bogus. There are a some very specific program that keep an instance loaded, but most programs completely disappear when they end, and this includes Firefox. You don't need to reboot because of applications (Windows would be a terribly shitty operating system if this were true), you can always cleanup lingering apps using the Task Manager. You may hwoever need to reboot to fix operating system problems (mostly driver problems) because you cannot kill/restart the process.

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Feb 3, 2014, 09:14
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(Feb 3, 2014 08:26)ofnuts Wrote:  This is bogus. There are a some very specific program that keep an instance loaded, but most programs completely disappear when they end, and this includes Firefox. You don't need to reboot because of applications (Windows would be a terribly shitty operating system if this were true), you can always cleanup lingering apps using the Task Manager. You may hwoever need to reboot to fix operating system problems (mostly driver problems) because you cannot kill/restart the process.

Ok, I revise my suggestion a bit. (read on...)

btavern Wrote:One) Is there anyway to do that, to close Gimp so it starts over fresh but not have to restart the computer? I have noticed, on rare occasions, that Gimp gets all clotty and slow if I use it a lot in one sitting.

Yes, like Ofnuts says you can first try the Task manager and end the Gimp processes (gimp.exe, script-fu...)
In rare cases that you can't, a restart will be required. Overall if you find your computer becoming slow using other programs after a while a restart wouldn't hurt a couple times a month or as mentioned to attempt to correct driver or system-wide problems if they arise.

There is a program that I favor that works when the regular task manager doesn't work if you really dread the reboot, process explorer. Same features, but more detailed info, really nice ^_^ You can even suspend the process just be sure to resume it after your done with whatever, lol.

*JUST WHATEVER YOU DO, BE CAREFUL OF THE "explorer.exe" that one is fragile, so are most of the svhost ones, stick to gimp processes for now.

IMO win7 is going to be a little slow booting & using unless you have maybe 8 gigs of ram, I think its in the coding, but the good news is its been out for longer & more compatible with legacy applications (pre win8) and some new apps. For me, I like win8 because its faster & newer XD,
so upgrading is a matter of preference, check out review videos and look at the win8 compatibility site to search your most used programs & see if an upgrade would benefit you.

@Calvin & hobbes bit, LOL I collected a few of the books, funny stuff, thanks!
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Feb 3, 2014, 10:07
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RE: What difference does it make...
I was being ironic about upgrading to 8. I'm reasonably happy with 7 despite only having a piddly little 3Gb of ram. Although I might consider adding a couple gigs to this laptop, if I could ever figure out how to do it without destroying it completely. The real problem is that the OS and Chrome use half of the three. And I have to have the browser open when I'm using Gimp because I have to keep looking stuff up.
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Feb 4, 2014, 09:07
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RE: What difference does it make...
(Feb 3, 2014 10:07)btraven Wrote:  I was being ironic about upgrading to 8. I'm reasonably happy with 7 despite only having a piddly little 3Gb of ram. Although I might consider adding a couple gigs to this laptop, if I could ever figure out how to do it without destroying it completely. The real problem is that the OS and Chrome use half of the three. And I have to have the browser open when I'm using Gimp because I have to keep looking stuff up.

In that case, open Chrome's Task manager, what extensions & plugins are running, & how much memory do they take up?

You can safely end the shockwave one when your not watching flash videos, that one can use up alot of cpu resources.

Also check the windows task manager & see if you have any memory hogs besides chrome
"right-click the taskbar, 'task manager"

I think 3 gig ram is ok, but I thought ram could only be installed by even numbers (2x 256 gb/ 2gb /4gb/ 8gh ...) Ram sticks are fairly cheap these days, if you can try to add 1 more gb of ram for a total of 4gb (see if it improves performance)
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Feb 4, 2014, 14:04
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RE: What difference does it make...
For my laptop, it's 1, 2, 4 or 8Gb. But the great thing is I found a site that tells me exactly what my machine has, how many slots, what's installed, what's compatible and HOW TO DO IT! And it's only about $15/Gb--more or less. I was amazed to find out how easy it is, not much tougher than replacing a light bulb. Now all I need is a lab coat like the guy in the video and one of those wrist-strap things and I'm in business.

What the hell is a "flash video"? Does it have anything to do with "flashing"?
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Feb 4, 2014, 17:11
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RE: What difference does it make...
(Feb 4, 2014 14:04)btraven Wrote:  For my laptop, it's 1, 2, 4 or 8Gb. But the great thing is I found a site that tells me exactly what my machine has, how many slots, what's installed, what's compatible and HOW TO DO IT! And it's only about $15/Gb--more or less. I was amazed to find out how easy it is, not much tougher than replacing a light bulb. Now all I need is a lab coat like the guy in the video and one of those wrist-strap things and I'm in business.

What the hell is a "flash video"? Does it have anything to do with "flashing"?
Just touch the PC frame with you hand before inserting the RAM. The wrist wire and lab coat aren't really necessary. They were useful when you were handling circuits that cost thousands of dollars and were very sensitive to static discharge (in the late 80s) but things have changed since and they are now part of the folklore at least for household electronics.

You should be able to find better deals. 8GB is around $80 on Amazon.

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Feb 4, 2014, 21:56
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If you are running a 32bit version of Windows, bear in mind it can't use more than 4Gb of RAM.
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Feb 6, 2014, 01:09
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(Feb 4, 2014 14:04)btraven Wrote:  What the hell is a "flash video"? Does it have anything to do with "flashing"?

hahaha, not at all, its the name they give type of video/game (.flv or .swf) graphics render engine, like when you watch youtube, its different then playing a video on your computer's media player. (usually .mpeg, .mpg4/3/2 or .avi)

Also,
*The anti-static wrist strap mentioned 1 or 2 posts above this is important before you install your new RAM, as a precautionary step.
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Feb 6, 2014, 03:03
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RE: What difference does it make...
(Feb 6, 2014 01:09)iForStyle007 Wrote:  
(Feb 4, 2014 14:04)btraven Wrote:  What the hell is a "flash video"? Does it have anything to do with "flashing"?

hahaha, not at all, its the name they give type of video/game (.flv or .swf) graphics render engine, like when you watch youtube, its different then playing a video on your computer's media player. (usually .mpeg, .mpg4/3/2 or .avi)

Oh. Gee, I thought that was what the lab coat was for and that the wrist strap was a fashion accessory. Maybe I oughta rethink this.

Also,
*The anti-static wrist strap mentioned 1 or 2 posts above this is important before you install your new RAM, as a precautionary step.
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