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Aug 7, 2013, 04:46
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So I registered just to post this
I recently went Linux.. going on a month now. And I have found great replacements for all my software. I thought GIMP would be a no brainer for my image editor.

Let me ask this simple question..
Who was it that so hated the end users that they took away the pointer tool?

Back in the days of the first wooden computer, it had a wooden mouse (no seriously) and it had..a pointer. You could point at things, select them, and then after a while, you could right-click them and get even more pointy options. It was a time of plenty with many things that could be selected and unselected at will..all with the lowly pointer. Everyone rejoiced in their pointing at things and selecting them. Babies were named cursor and arrow.

How about this.. every single image editing software ON THE PLANET, literally hundreds of thousands of them, have the lowly pointer. Why in the name of all that is holy has this one common denominator of all other image manipulation software been cast away in this otherwise exquisite piece of software?

Do the right thing.

Give GIMP a pointer.

No..no nono..no excuses..no reasons why not to..just give GIMP a pointer. Make an option to wander pointerless for the non-pointer vegans who trudge on their three-legged horses into battle but make no mistake, GIMP without a pointer is like a woman without breasts. Sure, they serve their purpose, and you can even grow to love them, but it would be so much better for them to be whole. Make GIMP whole, give it breasts. Give it a pointer.

And with that, I am off to run a stinking virtualbox windows VM so I can load up a stinking graphics program to edit a stinking image..with a pointer.

Seriously..pointer.
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Aug 7, 2013, 08:32
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Bit of a waste of bandwidth was'nt it.

You are wasting your time whingeing here, better off asking in somewhere like.
http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/

Sounds like you will never be happy with Gimp, so do not use it. (looks like your plan anyway)
Alternatives:
MyPaint - no, there is always a brush active.
Krita - success a pointer, wait a minute, actually it is for manipulating vector shapes.

and considering vectors,
Inkscape, again a pointer icon but it is actually the select tool.

I am sure you will be happy with whatever application you choose.

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Aug 7, 2013, 14:35
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Thank you both for your replies.

I guess my real question is.. how does one make non-contiguous selections, potentially across multiple layers, to apply effects and move objects to multiple items quickly and easily? That has been what *I* used a pointer tool for and havent found a tool to do this in GIMP. Maybe Im just missing it and my pointer rant is just frustration.
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Aug 7, 2013, 16:42 (This post was last modified: Aug 7, 2013 16:45 by Wendy Black.)
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Hey there SC23, don't blame it squarely on the GIMP. What you are looking for is probably found in your flavor of Linux. You didn't say if you are running Gnome, KDE, Mint, etc? That alone is BIG factor on how your boobless woman with function. Yeah my hubby is a boobie man too.

I used KDE for years now, so I would use System --> Shortcuts and Gestures. Note the word gestures? That means you can make a Z with the mouse and do something in an app. Join a forum that deals with your flavor of Linux and ask them... nicely. But don't leave our forum! I like you and the 3 legged horse you rode in on.

BTW I just noticed that under System --> Mouse "automatically select icons" is an unchecked option. LoL
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Aug 8, 2013, 00:12
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Once again.. thanks for the replies.. they are appreciated.

@ofnuts I guess its a paradigm shift in selecting a tool, then the object(s) it effects and not the other way around as most other apps work.. it feels so weird..but I guess you get used to it. I apologize for the rant.. I had been working on the same image for like 4 hours trying to do some simple things and pulling my hair out.. Im about to jump back in the GIMP boat for another round..

@Wendy Im in Mint KDE which is Ubuntu based.. since Im still a noob, I may be off base, but what I was looking for was a simple pointer tool to select objects and then click the tool to effect them.. and I dont think that pointer tool exists in GIMP. At least not from the searching Ive done in the app and in fine forums like this one.

I am going to try my best to mount my 3 legged horse and grow 2 more legs..so I will have a 5 legged steed to slay the evil image dragons and deliver the golden goblet of perfection to my new website that Im working on.. either that or snipe some free stock photos and call it a day..lol..

I have to say one thing about GIMP.. ts the first program in a while that has really put me to the test in using it.. and I am a 20 year Windows Support Tech and I can chew em up and spit em out with the best of em.. at least in Windows.. Linux.. Im learning..

I have a saying..
True wisdom only comes through pain

And GIMP is bringing it.. Smile
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Aug 8, 2013, 08:06 (This post was last modified: Aug 8, 2013 08:07 by rich2005.)
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Quote:..I am a 20 year Windows Support Tech and I can chew em up and spit em out with the best of em..

Well, everyone here has lots of experience in their field (anyone want a reinforced concrete foundation designed?)
As with many I started home computing with ZX81/speccy/QL etc. First PC (1987) ran MSDOS 3.3, gave up with windoze after XP and have run linux since 2005. Gimp 2.2 first in XP, later in Mepis then PCLOS.

Quote:..I was looking for was a simple pointer tool to select objects and then click the tool to effect them.. and I dont think that pointer tool exists in GIMP..

That is the problem, Gimp is a raster image editor and as such does not have objects. There are layers and paths and you can click on these in the appropriate dialog and select, say, a path but not much on the canvas.

If there is an object to click-on, almost bound to be a vector object. Since you are using Mint, probably the closest with a raster/some-vector mix is Krita. Very 'arty' but can be used with photos.

The other way round - vector with some raster is Inkscape. Here again you have a 'pointer' that can select an 'object'. Gimp - all you are going to select is an area of pixels, hence all the selection tools.
A run down of the selection tools, you will need them sooner or later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUHEI-bVSPo a bit old, gimp 2.6 but still applicable.

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Aug 8, 2013, 20:02
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I watched that vid.. very helpful, thanks. I did try Krita a few weeks ago and it had some stability issues in Mint 15 Cinnamon.. I am pretty determine to make Gimp work.. obviously it can do what I need.. its just a matter of figuring it out, and gaining "wisdom"..lol..

Thank you for the reply... it does shine a little more light into the "object" thing.. which makes me ask maybe a dumb question...

If I want to move things around in an image.. then each thing I want to move needs to be on its own layer? Or do you select, cut and paste? Or possibly either way..

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Aug 9, 2013, 22:46
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(Aug 8, 2013 00:12)SC23 Wrote:  @Wendy Im in Mint KDE which is Ubuntu based.. since Im still a noob, I may be off base, but what I was looking for was a simple pointer tool to select objects and then click the tool to effect them.. and I dont think that pointer tool exists in GIMP. At least not from the searching Ive done in the app and in fine forums like this one.

I hear good things about Mint. I see it now, I misunderstood you. You want a icon bar like Inkscape has off to the left. But when you click more icons slide out for more options. That would save a lot of screen space but on the other hand I hate having to wade hip deep in sub-menus. This is why when I make a tutorial on here I give the shortcut whenever I have one. I have set some "custom" shotcuts keys of my own and it really wouldn't be fair to do that in a tutorial... "Where the F is the anykey!?" LoL

Maybe when you move from noob to pro, you could create a plugin for it.

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Aug 10, 2013, 06:24
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(Aug 9, 2013 22:46)Wendy Black Wrote:  Maybe when you move from noob to pro, you could create a plugin for it.

I wouldnt be holding my breath there..lolol..

I am getting up to speed tho.. I have spent..lessee.. about 20 hours the last 3 days in Gimp and I am finding my way around ok now thanks to OfNuts mostly. My editor of choice for the last 5-6 years has been Fireworks MX in Windows. As a developer mainly, I never needed all the whiz-bang of Photoshop and it just did what i needed. Many a crunch-time website launch with that one.. good times..good times.. But alas.. Adobe shot her dead and I have moved on to greener pastures..

As for Mint.. I have very little to compare it to, but it has run relatively flawlessly for me.. going on umm month and some change now. All my hardware came right up, tons of apps (since its Ubuntu/Debian based) and it has a strong support forum and users. Just no real complaints.

I think the "anykey" requires you to write click on the mouse.. felt tip.
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