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Sliders would make it SO EASY.

Dec 12, 2013, 06:31
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Sliders would make it SO EASY.
Hello. I've used GIMP on and off for a couple years now, and despite all it can do, in many ways it truly is unintuitive.

Case in point: I understand there are sliders for feathering edges and other operations, but why isn't it possible to use the slider AFTER pasting (and before anchoring) a selection so you can see in real time exactly how it will look? It would be so much better than the trial-and-error method I'm forced to use. I've been frustrated so many times, it's a wonder I get anything done at all.

I'm even forced to turn on my old PC so I can use Logitech's old Fototouch prog. from years ago. It was a pleasure using Fototouch's sliders for feathering, opacity, etc. Why, oh, why can't GIMP get it right, too?

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Dec 13, 2013, 19:33
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
I'll give that a try, but it sounds ridiculously complicated, especially compared to the extremely simple slider I've described (and it seems to prove my point). In any case, thanks for the reply.
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Dec 13, 2013, 19:44
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
I'll give that a try, but it sounds ridiculously complicated, especially compared to the extremely simple slider I've described (and it seems to prove my point). Re. "wrong technique": Another way to look at it is that GIMP is designed wrong, and I assume so is the ubiquitous PhotoShop. At least GIMP costs less, right?!

In any case, thanks for the reply. Undecided
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Dec 16, 2013, 13:17
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
(Dec 13, 2013 19:33)SirCrow Wrote:  I'll give that a try, but it sounds ridiculously complicated, especially compared to the extremely simple slider I've described (and it seems to prove my point)...

I wish there was a "Like" button here. :-)
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Dec 17, 2013, 08:57 (This post was last modified: Dec 17, 2013 08:59 by iForStyle007.)
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(Dec 16, 2013 13:17)foxmuldr Wrote:  
(Dec 13, 2013 19:33)SirCrow Wrote:  I'll give that a try, but it sounds ridiculously complicated, especially compared to the extremely simple slider I've described (and it seems to prove my point)...

I wish there was a "Like" button here. :-)

There is, when you click reply, its right of "Post Icons" Where the heart, music & filmstrip icons are, plus some others.
(See under my Avatar/icon pic, I have the infamous thumbs up XD)

@SirCrow: It maybe complicated at first, but layer masks and the sliders will get easier WITH PRACTICE, soon you'll be saying to yourself "this is easy & quick" Smile not to mention flexible!
But you have to practice with small bits first, do half first, then the rest later if you must.
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Jan 13, 2014, 06:23
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
Update: Call me a mad gimp scientist, last post for tonight, lol!

I found a really cool tutorial where you can preview your brush size real-time without disrupting your brush flow (if you're using a mouse)

*PLUS: its a built in feature in gimp so you don't need to install any plugins, hopefully someone will find this tutorial helpful


GIMP: Scroll Mouse Wheel to Increase/Decrease Brush Size - courtesy a fellow gimper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_5rWwtwjE
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Jan 13, 2014, 11:09
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
The very notion of "intuitive" is bogus.

Driving on the right side of the road, the way normal people do, seems intuitive when you're learning to drive as a kid, but if you move to one of those strange lands where the inhabitants drive on the wrong side of the road, that soon becomes normal.

I'm sure that kids growing up those places and learning to drive in that bizarre fashion consider it "intuitive" and correct.

Even though they're wrong.

Obviously.

And I don't even want to get into how "intuitive" it is to read words in rows, left-to-right, top-to-bottom, not in columns, right-to-left.

Intuitive, inshmooitive, it's all just learned behavior.

Thanks for the links to the tuts, you two, big help. The learning is all... even though it is frustrating at times.
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Jan 13, 2014, 12:18
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
The OP has a bit of a fixation on the subject and brings it up on other forums. So don't make too much of it.
Someone even made a plugin for him: see
https://github.com/jsbueno/gimp-plugins/...r_paste.py

As for driving right or left - does it really matter as long as everyone follows the same rule.
Plenty of countries still drive on the left, http://www.drivers.com/article/968/
and when I worked in Saudi Arabia, (right side), that was one place where you looked both ways when crossing a one-way-street. Smile

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Jan 13, 2014, 15:15 (This post was last modified: Jan 13, 2014 16:26 by foxmuldr.)
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(Jan 13, 2014 11:09)btraven Wrote:  The very notion of "intuitive" is bogus.

Incorrect.

When applied to certain aspects it's bogus, but as an example of truly native intuitive expectations, when my son was very young and I brought him up to see my laptop screen he began touching the things he could see (icons on the desktop). It was intuitive to him to touch the thing he wanted to interact with rather than reaching off to the side and moving a mouse or sliding his finger around on a pad. That's a learned behavior. It is fully intuitive to directly interact with the thing.

Certain things are truly intuitive to a human being regardless of language or local societal norms.

Quote:Intuitive, inshmooitive, it's all just learned behavior.

Incorrect.

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Jan 13, 2014, 16:49
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
(Jan 13, 2014 12:18)rich2005 Wrote:  As for driving right or left - does it really matter as long as everyone follows the same rule.
Plenty of countries still drive on the left, http://www.drivers.com/article/968/
and when I worked in Saudi Arabia, (right side), that was one place where you looked both ways when crossing a one-way-street. Smile

I was only kidding with my right and wrong way to drive comments. You made my point exactly: that it (including programming conventions) doesn't matter as long as everyone follow the same rule. What we often think of as the correct or intuitive way to do things is really just a matter of culturally-dependant custom and convention.
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Jan 13, 2014, 17:02
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
(Jan 13, 2014 15:15)foxmuldr Wrote:  
(Jan 13, 2014 11:09)btraven Wrote:  The very notion of "intuitive" is bogus.

Incorrect.

When applied to certain aspects it's bogus, but as an example of truly native intuitive expectations, when my son was very young and I brought him up to see my laptop screen he began touching the things he could see (icons on the desktop). It was intuitive to him to touch the thing he wanted to interact with rather than reaching off to the side and moving a mouse or sliding his finger around on a pad. That's a learned behavior. It is fully intuitive to directly interact with the thing.

Certain things are truly intuitive to a human being regardless of language or local societal norms.

Quote:Intuitive, inshmooitive, it's all just learned behavior.

Incorrect.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

I'll grant you that, but touching something is not the same as interacting with it. I bet he was surprised at what happened the first time he touched a touch-screen and that he then proceeded to learn, either by trial and error or through instruction, which kinds of touches did what.

Depending on his age, he was probably trying to find out if he could get whatever he was seeing into his mouth when he first reached out to your laptop.
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Jan 14, 2014, 00:10 (This post was last modified: Jan 14, 2014 00:21 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
lol what are you on about "intuitive" btavern?

I applied the mouse scroll to my brush size, it works as expected. You're not even limited to using it for brush size, you can use it for radius & other size changing options, very custormizible.

The only limit is that you can only assign 2 actions unless you have the scroll wheel that clicks or moves to the left or right also.

haha, maybe I got lost in the conversation somewhere, still trying to figure out where driving on the right/left side of the road fits in too. HAH, I'll get back to you if I ever figure it out.
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Jan 14, 2014, 00:19
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RE: Sliders would make it SO EASY.
Quote:A kitten would have had the same reaction, and Youtube is full of videos to prove it. So, natural, yes, but intuitive, no. I'm not even sure that he thinks (without being told) that dragging a random icon to the icon that looks like a trashcan is going to make it disappear, no speaking of starting a text editor (what is text?) with the image that looks like \/\/.

So that's what that big W is. Gee, learn something every day, thanks.
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