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problem with drop shadow

Sep 30, 2014, 23:36
Post: #16
RE: problem with drop shadow
ok, this is the second time Gimp closes itselft without touching anything.....
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Oct 1, 2014, 00:26
Post: #17
RE: problem with drop shadow
from years i have notice something very peculiar of linux users...
i will try to use your example...
i was trying to follow your instructions to see what do you mean with a manual drop shadow.... (because, i recognize i am a newbie in this and i dont know for sure what drop shadow manually means and since i dont take things for granted, i am always asking, open to l;earn new thing from anybody.. thats why i dont use to give up... but to certain things...)

i was ok with the first step
" Layer>Transparency>Alpha to selection (makes a selection from the outline of your object)"

but with the second:
"- Add layer"

you mean, right click>layer> newlayer?

aslo, where is "bucket fill selection", sorry is that an option or an action? (probably my english is failing me this time)
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Oct 1, 2014, 00:52 (This post was last modified: Oct 1, 2014 00:53 by Kharl.)
Post: #18
RE: problem with drop shadow
Quote:Otherwise the problems you mention are not new. This is solved by "non-destructive editing" which is coming in a future version. However, this requires some pretty good hardware, because every operation since the beginning has to be redone in real-time while your move your line, and some frequent operations are rather CPU intensive (Gaussian blur, for instance)

yeah.. i hope when is available it is done wright.. i could understand a high cpu usage, but for an advance change/edit/effect... high cpu usage bur just a color change in a solid line.. only show... lack of logical thinking at the moment of the programming...
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Oct 1, 2014, 03:19
Post: #19
RE: problem with drop shadow
i discarted any line, draw, polygon in GIMP, since gimp works pretty well with imported images.. i draw it in pain and i incorporate in what i am doing in gimp.. its not the best way, but it is the fastest way that i have to deliver a project in a time without knowing a carrot of how to doit lol
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Oct 1, 2014, 09:54 (This post was last modified: Oct 1, 2014 13:14 by rich2005.)
Post: #20
RE: problem with drop shadow
@Kharl

Guessing English is not your first language, not a problem but try and keep to single subjects.

Rather than long descriptions maybe a video, hope you can understand my British accent.

Quote:...how do i draw a poligon?...

All sorts of ways including third-party plugins

a 4 minute demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G_DHgFkMs&hd=1

includes showing this plugin path-shape-creator http://registry.gimp.org/node/32128

Quote:...and to create a second poligon to put it in fornt of the other and to create a shadow of it...

Using standard Gimp tools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoPiFMLLhAQ&hd=1 2 and a bit minutes.

Quote:...i want to have a rectangle that acts like a blurred glass... is that possible?...
I am sure it is possible but first-things-first, Gimp same as any 'big' application has a learning curve.

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Oct 1, 2014, 14:09
Post: #21
RE: problem with drop shadow
(Oct 1, 2014 09:54)rich2005 Wrote:  @Kharl

Guessing English is not your first language, not a problem but try and keep to single subjects.

Rather than long descriptions maybe a video, hope you can understand my British accent.

ill be watching them
thank you!
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Oct 1, 2014, 15:06 (This post was last modified: Oct 1, 2014 15:33 by Kharl.)
Post: #22
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(Oct 1, 2014 12:45)ofnuts Wrote:  It's not a problem of Linux vs Windows, it's a problem of someone who knows explaining to someone who doesn't(*). If we assume you don't know anything at all, a simple explanation takes a 2000-page book, starting with "Chapter 1: purchasing a computer". So we have to assume that you know something and aim at what we think your proficiency is.

"bucket fill selection": use the "Bucket-fill" tool (Bucketfill). If there is a selection in only fills the selection. Also make sure that the right layer is selected (normally, the new layer if you didn't reselect another one) because the paint tools apply paint in the selection, on the active layer.

(*) Of course some would say that on Windows nobody knows nothing Smile

(Oct 1, 2014 12:45)ofnuts Wrote:  Chapter 1: purchasing a computer"
lol

i undestand... and you are right...
but with me, is kind of different, i dont know how to explain it in english...
when i am new in something, 200 pages are not necesary IF the first ones mention the steps refering a little review of previous known things.. AND mentioning thingss clearly and by its name.
(this is not about you, you have explain to me very clear)

at the school a teacher told me i have a weird learn process, there are kids thats takes long to learn and another that learn quickly, but usually the ones that learn quickly will suffer latter of a plateau effect.
i am between of these two, not so quick AT THE BEGGINING of the learning but once i learn it, i continuew steady fast untill the end without stuck due misunderstoods

At first, with traditional methods my learning is slow, not because i dont understand, but because i stop when i find a word or a concept i am not sure at all, while other students continue and figure it out what that meanings in the run, i stop until having 100% asurance of what exactly that means. its a little bit slow at first and requires huge ammount of logic when explaining (always should be like that) but my tearcher told me... once i pass that first slow part, while mastering concepts that other "quick learning students" take for granted without being sure of its meaning... i advance at blasting speeds.

This kind of behavior is desirable to some careers, most of them related to aviation, anybody can study that, but you will have to learn to act and to think the following way:
"to not proceed until you are clear"

you will learn this in the run (before to flight of course) but if you are native with this condition.. you will be better.

Take another little but direct and related example of what i am saying.

here.. when i fidn this "tutorial" for creating shapes
http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Drawing_Shapes/

check this:
Just before the second step (2. Right side)

says this:
Quote:Select the gradient-fill tool and, starting from the top-left of the selection, 'drag' the gradient quite far down-right (see the arrow in the image. This way you get a quite light-colored face for the cube, and it is just what we want here. We also want the lighter end of the gradient to be near our imaginative light source. (The light was coming from the left)

what was my problem following this?
Quote:Select the gradient-fill tool and, starting from the top-left of the selection, 'drag' the gradient quite far down-right (see the arrow in the image.

i spend several minutes looking for that gradient-fill tool, i suspected what toll was this tutorial talking about.. but i didn't wanted to proceed without being in order to avoid screwing up the already done job.
THEN i discoved that the tool the tutorial was talkign about was the BLEND TOOL

then the sentence continued "starting from the top-left of the selection.
what is is "staring from the top-left of the selection"???

how could this be explained without any chance of being misunderstood by ANYBODY and with fewer words?

"Select [BLEND TOOL], then DRAG the pointer from top-left of the selected object to the bottom right of it."

vs

Select the gradient-fill tool and, starting from the top-left of the selection, 'drag' the gradient quite far down-right (see the arrow in the image.
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Oct 1, 2014, 18:21 (This post was last modified: Oct 1, 2014 19:56 by Kharl.)
Post: #23
RE: problem with drop shadow
(Oct 1, 2014 09:54)rich2005 Wrote:  @Kharl

Guessing English is not your first language, not a problem but try and keep to single subjects.

Rather than long descriptions maybe a video, hope you can understand my British accent.

Quote:...how do i draw a poligon?...

All sorts of ways including third-party plugins

a 4 minute demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G_DHgFkMs&hd=1

includes showing this plugin path-shape-creator http://registry.gimp.org/node/32128

Quote:...and to create a second poligon to put it in fornt of the other and to create a shadow of it...

Using standard Gimp tools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoPiFMLLhAQ&hd=1 2 and a bit minutes.

Quote:...i want to have a rectangle that acts like a blurred glass... is that possible?...
I am sure it is possible but first-things-first, Gimp same as any 'big' application has a learning curve.

i saw you uploaded it today!
wow..
Thank you friend!!!
i love the way you explained it there!
in the first 15 seconds i already started learning by watching how you did enable the grid lines!!!!

thats what i am talking about!

i was about to ask that but i didn't wanted to bother that much, you guys have been very nice and patient with me, i tried to find it in google but the same i am talking, lot of illogical and unnecessarily weird descriptions there, many ones calls to writ some scrips, some command some programming... COME ON FOR A GRID LINES!?

the easiest one was about two pages of programming just to end saying.. "or you can go to the menu; [View > Show grid lines]

voila!
you can use the free time to WORK !

love the video i downloaded it to my pc and i will be watching your others (but not now because i have to finish that project lol

Thank you!
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Oct 1, 2014, 18:28
Post: #24
RE: problem with drop shadow
another question
at the right... in the layes tab, i discovered that the order of the layer if the order they are protrayed in the canvas... fine..

i discover that the "eye" at the left of the selected layer let me enable and disable the view of the layer, oy can see how does it look with and without... cool

and.. just at the right of the eye.. there is a an icon with a chain.. what is that for?
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Oct 1, 2014, 18:52
Post: #25
RE: problem with drop shadow
ok, another problem...

i am trying to add afade mask over the pictures, i know i have to ad a mask and then to aply a nl;end tool to give it a gradient, it worked fine for the first two layers, but for the third i did the same, i added a mask [layer-mask-add layer mask > white full opacity] EXACtLY like the others BUT this time the gradient fades in white, and the gradient i want to fade from white to blue ( i want the bottom o f the picture with a blue fog over it)j it worked with the first two why not with the third?
in fact the second gave me a problem, if i deselct it and select it again then i does what it must do, but with the third it does not... is this a gimp error?
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Oct 1, 2014, 19:33
Post: #26
RE: problem with drop shadow
never mind, i got it, i had to double click on the layer to select it then to apply the gradient
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Oct 1, 2014, 20:57
Post: #27
RE: problem with drop shadow
ok
ufff. ... lets se

i hardly try tu blame my selft and no tthe program.... but somettime si just have it in forn of me, doing step by step and it does not work.
Rich2005
i have a problem following what you says in the video, your explanation is pretty easy and simple, BUT my gimp just dont do that.

in this case:
exactly at the minute 2, when instead using the regular color filling method (edit>fill....) you use click and drag the color....
that does not work in my gimp, it paints the selected layer, and since the figure is not a layer it does not work in mine.
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Oct 2, 2014, 07:26 (This post was last modified: Oct 2, 2014 07:28 by rich2005.)
Post: #28
RE: problem with drop shadow
First thing, use whatever you are comfortable with.

For me learning Gimp has always been playing around and trying to see what works plus bits and pieces picked up here and there. Still learning. Always learning. I do understand that this is not the way you work.

Back to click and drag for fill.

Quote:.. that does not work in my gimp, it paints the selected layer, and since the figure is not a layer it does not work in mine...

Sorry but answering a question with more questions.

Click and drag the colour will fill a selection. Do you have a selection?

It will fill in the layer you are on. (the active layer)
Are you sure you are on a layer that includes the selection?
Some layers, such as text are smaller than the canvas and might not be included in the selection.

If there is no selection, the whole of the layer will be filled.

You are correct in saying the figure is not a layer, it might be a selection or it might be a path that is going to a selection. Eventually it will end up on a layer. Get in control and make a new layer for that figure.

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Oct 2, 2014, 15:25
Post: #29
RE: problem with drop shadow
i dont know how to answer it, but i did it again in a plain canvas and it worked, i did it inthe canvas i was working with and it didnt....

but thats ok, for now i have to do the polygon in a plain new canvas then to pass to the canvas i desire (it is easier to create it in paint then to copy and paste....)

about your second video "Gimp polygon shadow...."
it starteed with the polygons already done, i know it is about shadow... but would be nice to show how you did it.

it could sound stupid because the previous video was supposed to be about that.. for me it was not, this is about a line with edges that forma polygon in other words, edges, how you do that, i know how to do it (paint along the path... but) uhhhhh....
the dialog box does not even let me choose color it forces you to choose the color BEFORE to hit "paint along the path" it should have a color option within the dialog box.. WITHOUT MENTION the fact that it does not have preview.. or what i call, live preview, (you choose the color and then watch how the preview looks while you move the mouse over the colors or whhile you choose different styles...

(i knwo this is a free software.. but it needs so little things, to stand it at the sides of the "big" ones, little things that are nothing different that logical, intuitive artifacts that makes it desirable and that WILL boost the workflow....)

you did it twice path or you duplicate them, if you duplicate them how did you moved the second so its not over the first one?
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Oct 2, 2014, 17:09
Post: #30
RE: problem with drop shadow
Quote:..about your second video "Gimp polygon shadow...."
it starteed with the polygons already done, i know it is about shadow... but would be nice to show how you did it.

I do not know how to explain to you any better, it is as ofnuts described earlier.

[Image: 7aVDSZD.jpg]

1. You have a transparent layer on top with the polygon
2. Under that you have a duplicate layer but in black
3. That second layer is blurred for a shadow effect.
4. That second layer is moved a little to give a shadow effect for the top layer.

You will just have to watch the video again, it is there.

Quote: line with edges that forma polygon in other words, edges, how you do that, i know how to do it (paint along the path... but)..the dialog box does not even let me choose color it forces you to choose the color BEFORE to hit "paint along the path" it should have a color option within the dialog box..

You get what is there, no good complaining about it here, so no whining.

Quote:..you did it twice path or you duplicate them, if you duplicate them how did you moved the second so its not over the first one?..

I made a path so that I could get a selection when I wanted it. Not needed because both the polygon and drop shadow are in the same place. Then I moved the layer a little to give the drop shadow effect. Watch the video again.

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