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OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11

Jun 26, 2011, 16:48
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OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
Hi guys, I have seen a few posts and reports that OSX lion won't use X11. If this is the case, what is the future for Gimp on the Mac?

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Jun 26, 2011, 17:09
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
X11 is an add-on on OSX, Even the current crop doesn't really use X11, it is there for portability of other apps. So either someone adapts X11 to work on Lion, or someone adapts the GTK graphics lib that Gimp uses to talk directly to the OSX display support (like it currently does on Windows, AFAIK).

The Linux version is actually in the same bag, future Linux versions won't use X11 (which is an architecture dating back to the 80s and designed to support remote displays) but use Wayland instead (from which much better performance is expected). But since GTK is fairly central to a lot of Linux apps already, one can expect an speedy adaption to Wayland.

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Jun 26, 2011, 17:33
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(Jun 26, 2011 17:09)ofnuts Wrote:  X11 is an add-on on OSX, Even the current crop doesn't really use X11, it is there for portability of other apps. So either someone adapts X11 to work on Lion, or someone adapts the GTK graphics lib that Gimp uses to talk directly to the OSX display support (like it currently does on Windows, AFAIK).

The Linux version is actually in the same bag, future Linux versions won't use X11 (which is an architecture dating back to the 80s and designed to support remote displays) but use Wayland instead (from which much better performance is expected). But since GTK is fairly central to a lot of Linux apps already, one can expect an speedy adaption to Wayland.

Thanks for the reply. I love Gimp; it's become like the adopted child of the family, lol. I've used Photoshop a fair bit and it's OK (massively overrated in my opinion), but not worth the $$$ asked for it. Worst case scenario, I'd install Vmware and install Linux. Is Wayland for Apple as well?

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Jun 26, 2011, 20:51
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
(Jun 26, 2011 17:33)lightman Wrote:  Is Wayland for Apple as well?

Ask Steve Smile But I doubt so, AFAIK the main difference between OSX and other Unixes is that it doesn't rely on X11, it has its own graphics layer (Quartz)

For GTK see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B

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Jun 27, 2011, 16:22
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
Looks like at the moment it's not working:

http://roaringapps.com/apps:table/tags/_g/index_tags/_g

Scroll down and you're see Gimp listed as not working.

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Aug 21, 2011, 16:17
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
(Jun 26, 2011 20:51)ofnuts Wrote:  
(Jun 26, 2011 17:33)lightman Wrote:  Is Wayland for Apple as well?

Ask Steve Smile But I doubt so, AFAIK the main difference between OSX and other Unixes is that it doesn't rely on X11, it has its own graphics layer (Quartz)

For GTK see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B

I'm on Lion and the Gimp is working Smile I didn't test too much, but it launched properly.
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Aug 31, 2011, 23:35
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
Following instructions I found in a youtube video on installing Gimp in OS X Lion, I downloaded the 'Leopard' version of Gimp from the Gimp on OS X slite, http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html and it worked. So I assume Lion does include X11 in some form.
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Oct 16, 2011, 05:02
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
(Jun 26, 2011 16:48)lightman Wrote:  Hi guys, I have seen a few posts and reports that OSX lion won't use X11. If this is the case, what is the future for Gimp on the Mac?

Cheers

Lightman

What worked for me personally was installing gimp via mac ports, then installing xquartz 2.6.3. I'm on a Macbook Air running OSX 10.7.2 and so far everything seems to be working.
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Nov 12, 2011, 20:10
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
(Aug 31, 2011 23:35)yitwail Wrote:  Following instructions I found in a youtube video on installing Gimp in OS X Lion, I downloaded the 'Leopard' version of Gimp from the Gimp on OS X slite, http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html and it worked. So I assume Lion does include X11 in some form.

Hey Everyone!
I, too, have changed back from Snow Leopard version of Gimp to Leopard - and have had good results! Just deleted Gimp (Snow Leopard version) from my Lion OS Mac and downloaded and installed the Leopard version - works great! X11 automatically starts when Gimp is started, so there is no issue there as far as I can see. Seems to be much easier than installing thru mac ports and installing xquartz 2.6.3 - altho, I am not really very tech savvy, so the easier the better for me!
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Nov 13, 2011, 18:13
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RE: OSX Lion and (maybe) no X11
BIG SMILE! I just barely have my Mac Mini with Lion up and running and have managed to find Mac equivalents to most of my most used Windows programs. I was counting on GIMP to replace Photoshop. UH-OH! Bad news at first! Fortunately, I ended up viewing this thread, downloaded the Leopard version, and I'm in business! So I just came back to say thanks. Heart
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