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Installing the Help / Manual

Apr 3, 2012, 16:23
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Installing the Help / Manual
Hi. I'm a new GIMP user and at the moment I'm just puzzling about the Help (or Manual) (?) I can look at the whole manual online, which is great. It says that I can also install it on my computer if I wish to ... but I can't find out how to install it, and I've also been warned that if I do, my context Help wont go to the web any more ... unless I do something to allow both to run ... without interfering with each other ...

This is real beginner stuff I know but I've been Googling around for half an hour without finding anything clear (even the "GIMP IRC channel" link won't open ... as I don 't know what an IRC channel is that probably isn't surprising) :-) And then I had the bright idea of Googline Gimp User Forum and here I am.

Thanks for any pointers anyone can give me!

I don't know what "thread subscribing" is either Undecided ...
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Apr 3, 2012, 17:55
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
My, my, a radical noob Smile

- An "IRC channel" is a group chat (IRC=Internet Relay Chat)

- "Thread subscribing" is asking Gimp forum to send you an email (another kind of Internet communication means between people) when someone answers your question here.

- It is true that if you install the help locally, you won't get the help from the Internet. But that's the purpose of installing it locally... Of course you can still google stuff and you can even have a bookmark in your browser on the Internet version. And you can also un-tick a checkbox in the Gimp preferences to revert to the Internet version.

Then see there: http://gimpforums.com/thread-gimp-help

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May 12, 2012, 18:27
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
HI

Thank you, I appreciate your response. I have looked at the other thread.

I want to learn to use GIMP by using the resources properly. I have followed the instructions that got me to the page http://www.gimp.org/windows/

It more or less says that I have to install GImp to get the on-site Help. But then I tried hitting Installers, which gave an option for English Help.

I also followed the link that you suggested. I wanted to find out where the Help resource was posted for users and did not know how to find this from the Forum, so I googled for it and that took me to the /windows/ page as mentioned above, so I downloaded the .exe, and found the .exe in my Downloads folder, and double clicked it to install it ... tried the Help ... still not available. So I closed everything, and rebooted ... opened up again, tried the Help ... still not available!

Now I read it carefully, this seems to have been the experience of the user on thread-gimp-help, too ... (unless he forgot to run it).

Although I have been a computer user for over 20 years, I don't have a great deal of technical know-how! But I do recognise some basic moves and know what to do with them ... but I am right back where I started, so I am clearly missing something!
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May 13, 2012, 10:31
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
First of all, best if you state which version of windows you use, WinXP / Vista / Win7 and if the 32 /64 bit versions.

I am assuming you have downloaded
gimp-2.8.0-setup.exe
gimp-help-2-2.6.0-en-setup.exe
there is no 2.8 help installer yet, so use the online version for 2.8 specific issues. Still plenty in the 2.6 that is applicable.

Most of the time I use linux but some (not-so) quick trials in a couple of virtual machines (VM) came up with this.
caveat - the following is not definitive, just reporting what happens here.

Windows XP - the VM is WinSP2 and it has a working Gimp 2.6.12 installed in it, I uninstalled that.
Strangely gimp 2.8 stops installing with a "needs XPSP2 or greater" so SP2 is not sufficient. SP3 or vista/win7 needed. Without Gimp the help file does complain but installs when prompted.

Windows7 32 bit VM. More success here. Gimp 2.8 installs. The help installer looks for gimp 2.6 (not there) but will install when prompted. I can see possible problems with a Win7 64 bit. Make sure the help files end up in the correct folder, not necessarily the one 'help installer' wants to use.
Gimp help is found in 'edit -> preferences' but the help browser is still not working so use your web browser.
some screen shots. http://i.imgur.com/kS1I9.jpg
there is also an earlier thread about locating your help files and running then locally
http://gimpforums.com/thread-cannot-open...and-online

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Jun 1, 2012, 12:07
Post: #5
RE: Installing the Help / Manual
Hello. Thank you for that reply.

I am using Windows XP. I don't know of any specific problems related to that, I think the only problems I have had are simply not sufficiently understanding the terminology, and that there are many complications.

I had the exe for the 2.6 manual downloaded and installed. I couldn't access it (I thought) but it turned out that I didn't understand that the option "Web Browser" meant that I was reading it on side, cos to me "web browser" means a browser on the web ... which I thought was just what i was trying not to do. My poor husband had to explain this to me.

So far so good. Then he had to re-install Gimp because of the problem with the scanner, a DLL had gone missing, so we ended up with 2.8 instead of 2.6.

There is no on site manual available for 2.8.

I notice that you say that I can install the on site manual for 2.6 and use that ... I'm not sure whether it's still installed, but now having no copy of 2.6 (as far as I know) I can't see any path, or anything in the Preferences, which would allow me to open the 2.6 manual if it were installed.

Should I try installing the 2.6 Help again from the page where I originally found the installer, even though I don't have 2.6 itself installed?
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Jun 2, 2012, 10:34 (This post was last modified: Jun 2, 2012 10:36 by rich2005.)
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
Quote:There is no on site manual available for 2.8.

Do you mean no local (installed on your computer) version of Gimp help 2.8? That is still in progress, I remember that the change from 2.4 to 2.6 took some time.
There is on-line help here: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/

If you want to install the old Gimp 2.6 help into Gimp 2.8 on your WinXP machine, it is no real problem, just checked it out.
see: http://youtu.be/SJFEtraAH1k (3 minutes)

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Jun 18, 2012, 18:26
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
(Jun 2, 2012 10:34)rich2005 Wrote:  
Quote:There is no on site manual available for 2.8.

Do you mean no local (installed on your computer) version of Gimp help 2.8? That is still in progress, I remember that the change from 2.4 to 2.6 took some time.
There is on-line help here: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/

If you want to install the old Gimp 2.6 help into Gimp 2.8 on your WinXP machine, it is no real problem, just checked it out.
see: http://youtu.be/SJFEtraAH1k (3 minutes)

THank you. I haven't tried this yet ... my query really is not, can I install the 2.6 help locally (it may already be on my computer, I thought it was ... and I can follow back to the page from which I originally downloaded it) but how do I actually open it and read it? Seeing as I don't have the main 2.6 program installed now. ? The 2.6 manual does't show on my All Programs pane in Windows.
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Jun 18, 2012, 19:51
Post: #8
RE: Installing the Help / Manual
Ok, we can go through it again.

Gimp-help-2.2.6.0-xxxx.exe is just an unpacker that will put the gimp help files anywhere you like.

If you do not have gimp installed, so you know where to look make a new folder called say, New Folder.

Start the gimp-help-xxxxxx.exe installer and when it starts browse for that folder.

It now complains that Gimp is not installed. Just continue.

All the help files are now buried in a maze of sub-folders just the same as they would be if Gimp was there.

There is no menu entry, it is not an application, just a set of html files.

Use windows explorer and find the base file index.html in
C:\New Folder\share\gimp\2.0\help\en (As you say something similar might already be there)

Open index.html with IE. If you want a desktop shortcut, you will have to make your own.

Some screenshots of the above process, much the same as before.

http://www.imageno.com/96gsvpoitaf6pic.html

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Jun 25, 2012, 22:26
Post: #9
RE: Installing the Help / Manual
Thank you Rich2005 for that. I didn't manage to do it entirely by myself in the end, but it provided the clue to where I got stuck before, which I think was the "Gimp 2.6 does not appear to be installed ... continue anyway?" I probably aborted at that point not knowing what would happen if I continued ... this will be clear to anyone who is used to installations, but I was afraid I might over-write or otherwise screw something up ... (it has been known to happen :-)) because I did not know exactly what was happening. SO in fact I didn't have Help 2.6 installed, only the .exe file ... once I realised I had to run that again, I could go forward.

So it appears that I now have Help 2.6 installed with a desktop shortcut ... and have learned more about installations and how things are stored (or at least, where they are stored) than I knew before.

Thanks again.
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Dec 29, 2012, 23:29 (This post was last modified: Dec 29, 2012 23:34 by jim.)
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RE: Installing the Help / Manual
Hey guys, here is a workaround:

Note: Moderators, please do not delete my repeating posts, since I have work so hard to find the 4 different threads this info can be of help in. Smile

I have also been having a problem with the help files. I am trying to install the 2.6 help file folder "en" using GIMP 2.8.2. The closest I have come is having "Help System" in Preferences say that I have a copy of the manual installed, but when I open it GIMP gives me the following message: "gimp message calling error for procedure 'plug-in-web-browser': no application is registered as handling this file".

My workaround for this right now is to simply find two HTML files in the 2.6 Help Files en folder titled "index.html" and "gimp-help-index.html", oped each of these in Safari, and then make bookmarks where I can get to them easily.

I hope this helps. Until a Mac Native GIMP Help System is released this seems to be the most reliable way of having help files "installed" on your system. We just have to be patient.

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Jul 8, 2014, 16:49
Post: #11
RE: Installing the Help / Manual
My workaround for this right now is to simply find two HTML files in the 2.6 Help Files en folder titled "index.html" and "gimp-help-index.html", oped each of these in Safari, and then make bookmarks where I can get to them easily

Thanks, 2.8 works in Windows, I just made shortcuts out of the 2 files and dragged them onto
my desktop, open in firefox.

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