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Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10

Jun 6, 2014, 14:21
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Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Hello, I am glad to find this forum and hope you can help me. I have been creating digital paintings for the past 4 and a half years using only Gimp software. I usually use various filters to give me fresh ideas, create layering effects that add depth and texture, or for material that they can create from some simple brush strokes in a few colours. I then take that forward and let it sort of organically develop until it seems finished to me.

Anyway, I have never had any trouble with Gimp downloads, and always updated to the latest versions. However, following a computer recovery to factory default and getting it all stabilized again, I am finding that my download of Gimp 2.8.10 is successful except that when I open it to begin painting, the filters menu now contains no filters. I have tried several times, deleting the program each time before trying again, and I always get the same result.

I'm not much of a techie, and I have no idea how to troubleshoot this situation.

Can anyone help me with this problem? I am pretty upset that I can't continue my work, and would love to get the problem sorted asap.

Thanks so much and I will come back here to interact with you all as soon as I have this out of the way.
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Jun 6, 2014, 14:40 (This post was last modified: Jun 6, 2014 14:41 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
It could be a number of things.
But first,
What is your operating system & version? (32-bit / 64-bit if known)

-Did you download from Gimp's official site? if not, where?

- Did all the filters work in your last version before you updated to 2.8.10?

- Are you working in RGB colorspace, not indexed? "Image > Mode > RGB"

- Have you clicked "File > New..." ?

I'll be back later but maybe someone else has some ideas too Smile

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Jun 6, 2014, 14:51
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Have you got a "pluginrc" file in your Gimp profile? It should contains entries like:

Code:
(plug-in-def "C:\\Program Files\\GIMP 2\\lib\\gimp\\2.0\\plug-ins\\blur-gauss.exe" 1385834982
    (proc-def "plug-in-gauss" 1
         "Simplest, most commonly used way of blurring"
         "Applies a gaussian blur to the drawable, with specified radius of affect.  The standard deviation of the normal distribution used to modify pixel values is calculated based on the supplied radius.  Horizontal and vertical blurring can be independently invoked by specifying only one to run.  The IIR gaussian blurring works best for large radius values and for images which are not computer-generated."
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "1995-1996"
         "_Gaussian Blur..."
         1
        (menu-path "<Image>/Filters/Blur")
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         6 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "horizontal" "Horizontal radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 3 "vertical" "Vertical radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 0 "method" "Blur method { IIR (0), RLE (1) }"))
    (proc-def "plug-in-gauss-iir" 1
         "Apply a gaussian blur"
         "Applies a gaussian blur to the drawable, with specified radius of affect.  The standard deviation of the normal distribution used to modify pixel values is calculated based on the supplied radius.  Horizontal and vertical blurring can be independently invoked by specifying only one to run.  The IIR gaussian blurring works best for large radius values and for images which are not computer-generated."
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "1995-1996"
         ""
         0
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         6 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image (unused)")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "radius" "Radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 0 "horizontal" "Blur in horizontal direction")
        (proc-arg 0 "vertical" "Blur in vertical direction"))
    (proc-def "plug-in-gauss-iir2" 1
         "Apply a gaussian blur"
         "Applies a gaussian blur to the drawable, with specified radius of affect.  The standard deviation of the normal distribution used to modify pixel values is calculated based on the supplied radius.  This radius can be specified indepently on for the horizontal and the vertical direction. The IIR gaussian blurring works best for large radius values and for images which are not computer-generated."
         "Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis & Sven Neumann"
         "Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis & Sven Neumann"
         "1995-2000"
         ""
         0
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         5 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "horizontal" "Horizontal radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 3 "vertical" "Vertical radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)"))
    (proc-def "plug-in-gauss-rle" 1
         "Apply a gaussian blur"
         "Applies a gaussian blur to the drawable, with specified radius of affect.  The standard deviation of the normal distribution used to modify pixel values is calculated based on the supplied radius.  Horizontal and vertical blurring can be independently invoked by specifying only one to run.  The RLE gaussian blurring performs most efficiently on computer-generated images or images with large areas of constant intensity."
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis"
         "1995-1996"
         ""
         0
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         6 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image (unused)")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "radius" "Radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 0 "horizontal" "Blur in horizontal direction")
        (proc-arg 0 "vertical" "Blur in vertical direction"))
    (proc-def "plug-in-gauss-rle2" 1
         "Apply a gaussian blur"
         "Applies a gaussian blur to the drawable, with specified radius of affect.  The standard deviation of the normal distribution used to modify pixel values is calculated based on the supplied radius.  This radius can be specified indepently on for the horizontal and the vertical direction. The RLE gaussian blurring performs most efficiently on computer-generated images or images with large areas of constant intensity."
         "Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis & Sven Neumann"
         "Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis & Sven Neumann"
         "1995-2000"
         ""
         0
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         5 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "horizontal" "Horizontal radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 3 "vertical" "Vertical radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")))
(plug-in-def "C:\\Program Files\\GIMP 2\\lib\\gimp\\2.0\\plug-ins\\blur-gauss-selective.exe" 1385834980
    (proc-def "plug-in-sel-gauss" 1
         "Blur neighboring pixels, but only in low-contrast areas"
         "This filter functions similar to the regular gaussian blur filter except that neighbouring pixels that differ more than the given maxdelta parameter will not be blended with. This way with the correct parameters, an image can be smoothed out without losing details. However, this filter can be rather slow."
         "Thom van Os"
         "Thom van Os"
         "1999"
         "_Selective Gaussian Blur..."
         1
        (menu-path "<Image>/Filters/Blur")
        (icon stock-id -1 "")
         "RGB*, GRAY*"
         5 0
        (proc-arg 0 "run-mode" "The run mode { RUN-INTERACTIVE (0), RUN-NONINTERACTIVE (1) }")
        (proc-arg 13 "image" "Input image (unused)")
        (proc-arg 16 "drawable" "Input drawable")
        (proc-arg 3 "radius" "Radius of gaussian blur (in pixels, > 0.0)")
        (proc-arg 0 "max-delta" "Maximum delta")))

If not, check that you have files in C:\Program Files\GIMP 2\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins (about 185 *?exe and *.py) and in C:\Program Files\GIMP 2\share\gimp\2.0\scripts (about 100 *.scm files). You should also have files in C:\Program Files\GIMP 2\share\gimp\2.0\palettes, C:\Program Files\GIMP 2\share\gimp\2.0\brushes, C:\Program Files\GIMP 2\share\gimp\2.0\gradients...

If these files are missing, you may want to reinstall, unless they have been quarantined by an over-zealous anti-virus...

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Jun 6, 2014, 14:54
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Thanks for the welcome and your offer of help. Please be patient with me if I am a bit clueless about some of the specifications and things like that. My computer knowledge is spotty at best, and I can be very forgetful.

I am using a Lenovo Ideapad Y580, with Windows 7 64 bit operating system, which I have found to be up to the task of creating large image files with many layers and much info.

As I always do, I downloaded from the official gimp.org download page, using the download button at the top centre which is most prominent under the Gimp 2.8.10 heading.

Everything was working great in my last download before this.

I believe I always work in RGB but I do not really understand what your question refers to. This and the next question which asks if I have clicked 'File > New" I am not sure I understand. I will go to the colour menus and see what I find there in case it is set in some way I don't normally have.

I did begin as always with a new file, if that is what you mean. I could have taken a partly finished file from a previous DVD of unfinished work, but I did not try that.

However, I only just opened it and tried a few colours on the new canvas, then went to filters and found them missing.

I believe it should begin with the default settings. Is that correct? This is how I have always begun, then setting preferences for file size and canvas size, etc.
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Jun 6, 2014, 15:56
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
In my program folder on C drive, I have a folder called Gimp 2

Following the path you gave me, I have found some 180 different files in the plug-ins folder.

I have since tried another new file and again found the filters menu to have three items:

The first two are greyed out (unvailable) Repeat Last and Re-Show Last. The third is the only one I can click on. It is 'Reset all filters'

I even tried doing that and it made no difference. The processes in the color menu are working. But a few seem to be missing from the list that I remember.

I got a bit bogged down with the text that you pasted in your reply. I am not sure what exactly I am to take from it and what I am to ignore. Sorry, but I can be a bit clueless, as I said.

Thanks again.
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Jun 6, 2014, 16:13
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
"pluginrc" is a file in which Gimp keeps track of the plugins. If it is empty, then Gimp didn't find any plugins.

In practice on startup Gimp compares the list of files in the plugins directory with the ones listed in pluginrc, and executes the new or changed plugins to "register" them (so that they are added to the file or updated). My example is what you get for the gaussian-blur filter, and show what the file contents should look like (the file is editable with a text editor).

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Jun 6, 2014, 16:16
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
I also checked my firewall and anti-virus programmes to see if there was anything they had quarantined. I found nothing there.
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Jun 6, 2014, 17:06
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
I tried to open the file 'blur-gauss-selective. It did nothing, and I got a system error which said "The program can't start because libgimpui-2.0-0dll is missing from your computer." Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem."

I have now deleted all gimp files from my computer and reinstalled from the downloads page of gimp.org as I did before, clicking on the Gimp 2.8.10 for windows. I have the same result exactly as far as what is there and what is missing.

I'm stuck.
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Jun 6, 2014, 17:13
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Thanks for the help. I will have to come back to this later tonight.
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Jun 6, 2014, 19:57
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
It s the "pluginrc" file you need to open and check. On my system it is almost 370KB. If it's under 100KB there is definitely a problem with its contents.

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Jun 7, 2014, 01:10 (This post was last modified: Jun 7, 2014 01:17 by MVhargon.)
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
I have searched the whole C drive as I did not find a pluginrc file in the plugins folder. But it is in the Gimp 2.8 folder. Is this the problem? Should it be in a different folder? It is 1 kb in size but it is There are at least 15 files there in the Gimp 2.8 folder, but outside the other folders.

I have opened the various folders in Gimp 2.8 such as: fonts, gimpressionist, and plugins. All of them are empty!

I have tried multiple times deleting all files and reinstalling. When it first installs, I seem to have the option of where to save the file. If I choose Program folder, i get a message saying I cannot save there and need administrator permission. I may be dim witted, but I don't know how to do that or why I should have to, since I am the administrator and nobody else uses my computer.

If I save to the Downloads folder, when I click on it in the downloads folder for set-up,
it now installs the program in that same file the file named with my name just inside the Users file.

Can you tell me what is wrong here and how to undo whatever I did to get it in the right place? Is that the problem, that it is not installing in the right place? Doesn't seem to me that could account for missing files or files outside their folders, though.

This has me completely mind-boggled now.
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Jun 7, 2014, 08:30 (This post was last modified: Aug 21, 2014 11:31 by rich2005.)
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
(Jun 7, 2014 01:10)MVhargon Wrote:  I have searched the whole C drive as I did not find a pluginrc file in the plugins folder. But it is in the Gimp 2.8 folder. Is this the problem? Should it be in a different folder? It is 1 kb in size but it is There are at least 15 files there in the Gimp 2.8 folder, but outside the other folders.

I have opened the various folders in Gimp 2.8 such as: fonts, gimpressionist, and plugins. All of them are empty!

I have tried multiple times deleting all files and reinstalling. When it first installs, I seem to have the option of where to save the file. If I choose Program folder, i get a message saying I cannot save there and need administrator permission. I may be dim witted, but I don't know how to do that or why I should have to, since I am the administrator and nobody else uses my computer.

If I save to the Downloads folder, when I click on it in the downloads folder for set-up,
it now installs the program in that same file the file named with my name just inside the Users file.

Can you tell me what is wrong here and how to undo whatever I did to get it in the right place? Is that the problem, that it is not installing in the right place? Doesn't seem to me that could account for missing files or files outside their folders, though.

This has me completely mind-boggled now.

The whole of that sounds very strange and you have some dire problems.
This is a little video on reinstalling Gimp 2.8.10 in a win 7 64 bit after a previous broken installation.

having a tidy up - everyone finished with this ...going..going..gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9K49pOuFg&hd=1


Only 5 minutes, have a look and see where your installation procedure differs.

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Jun 7, 2014, 12:30 (This post was last modified: Jun 7, 2014 12:30 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
(at this point you can ignore the RGB / indexed... modes, its clear to me now that some of the files are being blocked, the colorspace / mode won't help with missing files)

MVhargon Wrote:If I choose Program folder, i get a message saying I cannot save there and need administrator permission.

If after watching rich's video above you're still stuck.

1. On the step with the gimp install.exe Right-click it & click first "Properties" on the general tab, look for "Unblock" click this & click ok.
2. On the step in the video about right-click & open the install, instead click the "run with administrator..."
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Jun 10, 2014, 12:37 (This post was last modified: Jun 10, 2014 12:40 by MVhargon.)
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Update on the problem: Yes, I am still stuck. But, to update you, I have watched your (Rich's) video several times and taken notes and tried to get it all absolutely straight. It seemed to me as I watched it that aside from the part where you had already installed it and were setting up your preferences, I had already done exactly what you showed. But I know all too well that one misstep in a process can ruin it. Thank you so much for taking all this time and trouble to help me work out my problem! Thank you for those additional suggestions in your latest post. I tried again and again, scrupulously seeking any possible thing I could think of that might block or mess this up and I could not find any. Yet every time I finished following your video instructions, I ended up with the same problem. I thought maybe I just have to reinstall windows, because that was the only thing I could think of that could be the problem. However, windows seems stable and functioning in every other respect.

Now, I will try iForStyle007's latest suggestion and see once again if it has fixed this. Each time, I am starting fresh after uninstalling, searching any gimp files that may still be in my computer, deleting them, and rebooting. So, I could not work out what to do next. You are a most considerate bunch of forum members to stick with me in this process!!!
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Jun 10, 2014, 12:53
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RE: Gimp user for several years, now problems with download 2.8.10
Well, you have done what you can. and do not go reinstall Windows with all the updates that entails.

If you have purged the Gimp installation and disabled any Gimp profile (...\gimp-2.8 and 2.6)

The only thing I can suggest is a slightly different compilation of Gimp 2.8

So back to removing all you have installed.

If you go to http://www.partha.com/ you can get a 64 bit version rather than the regular 32+64 bit from Gimp.org
direct download is http://www.partha.com/downloads/Gimp-2.8-64bit.exe It is safe.

Might make a difference.

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