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Cutout will not transfer properly

May 28, 2014, 03:36 (This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 04:19 by lvquiet.)
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Cutout will not transfer properly
I wanted to post a picture of my problem here, but when I clicked the icon with the mountains and sun hovering over them, it said "undefined" 2x, and I have no idea how to insert my image. So, first, can somebody please tell me how to insert my image?

My problem is: I successfully in GIMP cut out the background from an image and saved it, as per instructions, as a png, but no matter how many times I chucked the failed image and resaved it, the ostensibly cut out image opens up outside of GIMP as the original uncut image, even tho the preview image shows it as cut out (and it also shows up as nicely cut out on the checkerboard background on the GIMP canvas).

I feel like somebody who's had their hands cut off or their skull lobotomized!

Thanx in advance for help with this.


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May 28, 2014, 04:01
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(May 28, 2014 03:36)lvquiet Wrote:  I wanted to post a picture of my problem here, but when I clicked the icon with the mountains and sun hovering over them, it said "undefined" 2x, and I have no idea how to insert my image. So, first, can somebody please tell me how to insert my image?

My problem is: I successfully in GIMP cut out the background from an image and saved it, as per instructions, as a png, but no matter how many times I chucked the failed image and resaved it, the ostensibly cut out image opens up outside of GIMP as the original uncut image, even tho the preview image shows it as cut out (and it also shows up as nicely cut out on the checkerboard background on the GIMP canvas).

I feel like somebody who's had their hands cut off or their skull lobotomized!

Thanx in advance for help with this.
Hi,
Try adding your images as attachments. See further down the screen below the text entry area when making a reply or new entry.

As for what is going wrong, obviously your attached images would help to determine the issue.
But as a guess if you are removing a background from an image and then saving it as a .png. When you open it in some programs they may display the transparent area as either 'white' or 'black' depending on the software.

If that is not your issue then please reply with the necessary attachments and describe your steps one by one.
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May 28, 2014, 04:24 (This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 04:35 by lvquiet.)
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(May 28, 2014 04:01)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Hi,
Try adding your images as attachments. See further down the screen below the text entry area when making a reply or new entry.

As for what is going wrong, obviously your attached images would help to determine the issue.
But as a guess if you are removing a background from an image and then saving it as a .png. When you open it in some programs they may display the transparent area as either 'white' or 'black' depending on the software.

If that is not your issue then please reply with the necessary attachments and describe your steps one by one.
Cheers
FB, HUGE thanx for helping me to post my image (which I have done on my first post). Image A is my GIMP-edited version of image B, but when I save image A as png. and then try opening it in MSPaint, it reverts back to image B, iow, the unedited original version. But, in the preview picture of the supposedly edited version, it IS the edited version. So, somehow, between the preview and the opening up of the previewed image, there is some sort of "disconnect." I hope that makes sense. Smile

I've appended the preview picture, the one that comes up before I actually open the edited picture.


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May 28, 2014, 04:51 (This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 04:52 by fluffybunny2.)
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(May 28, 2014 04:24)lvquiet Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 04:01)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Hi,
Try adding your images as attachments. See further down the screen below the text entry area when making a reply or new entry.

As for what is going wrong, obviously your attached images would help to determine the issue.
But as a guess if you are removing a background from an image and then saving it as a .png. When you open it in some programs they may display the transparent area as either 'white' or 'black' depending on the software.

If that is not your issue then please reply with the necessary attachments and describe your steps one by one.
Cheers
FB, HUGE thanx for helping me to post my image (which I have done on my first post). Image A is my GIMP-edited version of image B, but when I save image A as png. and then try opening it in MSPaint, it reverts back to image B, iow, the unedited original version. But, in the preview picture of the supposedly edited version, it IS the edited version. So, somehow, between the preview and the opening up of the previewed image, there is some sort of "disconnect." I hope that makes sense. Smile

I've appended the preview picture, the one that comes up before I actually open the edited picture.
Congratulations and welcome to the forum.
It is as I said, some programs (including MSPaint) display transparency as white.
But you should notice that image A does not include the darker grey areas with the negative numbers as you cut those out...
So don't panic, the white area is actually transparent.
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May 28, 2014, 06:14
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(May 28, 2014 04:01)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Congratulations and welcome to the forum.
It is as I said, some programs (including MSPaint) display transparency as white.
But you should notice that image A does not include the darker grey areas with the negative numbers as you cut those out...
So don't panic, the white area is actually transparent.
No, unfortunately, it's not transparent in MS Paint. I'm trying to do some stuff with the image in MS Paint (remember, I'm in pre-school as far as GIMP skills go, so I still need to revert to Paint for some stuff), and when I load the picture into Paint, I GET THE UNEDITED image (B). I know that PNG is supposed to be workable in all graphic programs, so what is going wrong between the image preview and the opened image?

Maybe I should ask this question: what are the exact steps for properly saving the edited image from GIMP in the PNG format? Bec. obviously, the save-method I used does not result in the edited image properly loading in MS Paint (even though the image reloads fine in GIMP) .
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May 28, 2014, 06:38
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(May 28, 2014 06:14)lvquiet Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 04:01)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Congratulations and welcome to the forum.
It is as I said, some programs (including MSPaint) display transparency as white.
But you should notice that image A does not include the darker grey areas with the negative numbers as you cut those out...
So don't panic, the white area is actually transparent.
No, unfortunately, it's not transparent in MS Paint. I'm trying to do some stuff with the image in MS Paint (remember, I'm in pre-school as far as GIMP skills go, so I still need to revert to Paint for some stuff), and when I load the picture into Paint, I GET THE UNEDITED image (B). I know that PNG is supposed to be workable in all graphic programs, so what is going wrong between the image preview and the opened image?

Maybe I should ask this question: what are the exact steps for properly saving the edited image from GIMP in the PNG format? Bec. obviously, the save-method I used does not result in the edited image properly loading in MS Paint (even though the image reloads fine in GIMP) .
Please attach your edited 'A' png image.
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May 28, 2014, 06:51 (This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 06:52 by lvquiet.)
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(May 28, 2014 06:38)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Please attach your edited 'A' png image.

OK, here goes (but remember, this is NOT the way the image looks when I open it in MS Paint):


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May 28, 2014, 07:05
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(May 28, 2014 06:51)lvquiet Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 06:38)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Please attach your edited 'A' png image.

OK, here goes (but remember, this is NOT the way the image looks when I open it in MS Paint):
The image you attached is .jpg not .png
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May 28, 2014, 07:20
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(May 28, 2014 07:05)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 06:51)lvquiet Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 06:38)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Please attach your edited 'A' png image.

OK, here goes (but remember, this is NOT the way the image looks when I open it in MS Paint):
The image you attached is .jpg not .png
Plus it's a screenshot and not the actual image....

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May 28, 2014, 07:22 (This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 07:22 by lvquiet.)
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(May 28, 2014 07:05)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  The image you attached is .jpg not .png
The image posted here of the png image is indeed jpg, but the original image is png, yet when I try to open it, it reverts to the B image as posted in my first post. I can not GET the png image to open as it does on the preview.
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May 28, 2014, 07:49
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...and the answer is..

M$ Paint does not support transparency

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May 28, 2014, 08:02
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(May 28, 2014 07:49)rich2005 Wrote:  ...and the answer is..

M$ Paint does not support transparency

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Sure it does: I've been working with MSPaint for 14 years: all you have to do to get transparency is set it up there on the left. The problem has something to do with the difference between the preview (where the edited image appears as it should, cf. pic I loaded previously) and the actual image when I open the preview up.

I'm thinking maybe the problem with saving the picture is inherent with the latest version of GIMP, bec. about a week ago, with what I think was the older version, I was able to save just fine into my MSPaint.

Thanx for all your efforts. You're a trouper. Smile
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May 28, 2014, 08:34
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No transparency saved here.

but is this the problem using WinXP

Quote:...the ostensibly cut out image opens up outside of GIMP as the original uncut image...

The image is cut out with transparency in Gimp.
Open in M$ Paint and the background is restored. (Does not happen in Win7 and the newer Paint)

Solution: When you export in Gimp, untick save color values from transparent pixels.

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May 28, 2014, 11:26
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(May 28, 2014 08:34)rich2005 Wrote:  No transparency saved here.

but is this the problem using WinXP

Quote:...the ostensibly cut out image opens up outside of GIMP as the original uncut image...

The image is cut out with transparency in Gimp.
Open in M$ Paint and the background is restored. (Does not happen in Win7 and the newer Paint)

Solution: When you export in Gimp, untick save color values from transparent pixels.

[Image: I0EkFW2.jpg]
YOOOOOOOOREKA! You can see my reaction in the li'l image below! Smile

Not only have I learned this bonanza new procedure, but this interchange has been instructive as well in understanding misunderstandings, LOL! Since my only knowledge of "transparency" is from MS Paint's 2 versions (i.e. opaque or transparent image), I thought THAT was what you were referring to. Had zero idea that there's this other dimension of the concept of transparency. Reminds me of when I was 4 and my father told me to "Use your head, LQ, use your head!" I took that literally, so couldn't figure out HOW I was supposed to use my head (not understanding the metaphorical use of the phrase) and was all flustered. Huh

A BILLION thanks for your help on this. I feel like a millionaire.! {thumbs up x 10}


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May 28, 2014, 11:30
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(May 28, 2014 07:20)ofnuts Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 07:05)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 06:51)lvquiet Wrote:  
(May 28, 2014 06:38)fluffybunny2 Wrote:  Please attach your edited 'A' png image.

OK, here goes (but remember, this is NOT the way the image looks when I open it in MS Paint):
The image you attached is .jpg not .png
Plus it's a screenshot and not the actual image....
Yah, thanx, I forgot that, LOL, but hooooray! The conundrum has been solved and I am just a whooping banshee!
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