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Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?

Dec 2, 2013, 23:35 (This post was last modified: Dec 2, 2013 23:37 by Judy.)
Post: #31
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
P.S. OK, I just now clicked Fuzzy Select Tool

you stated "to select background"

so now:
am I supposed to outline the very edge of the greyish rectangle which is backgrounding the celery? (similar to MS_Paint's rectangle, where you left-click to outline an area?)
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Dec 3, 2013, 09:07
Post: #32
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Dec 2, 2013 22:53)Judy Wrote:  QUESTION: Is there a printable version - which would also include all the "see this" URLs linked by Gimp?
It's much much easier for me to concentrate offline - I get less blurry-eyed, and less gritty-feeling.
With me - Offline is for absorbing, and Online is for acting on what i've attempted absorbing offline.
No problem Judy, trying my best to help. I would copy & paste it into word or see how it looks with your print preview feature of your browser.

More about the study page "on-page links" on gimp.org

Some of those links are on the same gimp.org help page. So click it first and check the URL/address that its not the same page. They do this for quicker reference to a long page online. You just click and it automatically scrolls to that section.
You could go 1 more yard and print the in-line links that you don't know/where in Gimp or understand right away, then ignore the rest of the links on those pages.

*You can ignore printing individually most links because they are on the same page just further down or up.
links you can IGNORE:
"single-window mode" page in 2.2 image window, since you won't be using that mode (its a difficult/ugly gimp mode in my opinion)
"Use dynamic keyboard shortcuts" (2.2 image window)
"dot for dot" (2.2 image window)
"navigation dialogue" (2.2 image window) this is just about panning around your image, but if ink isn't an issue you can print this one.

"Section 2.3.2, "Tab Menu" (2.3. Dialogs and Docking) link is on same page, no need to print twice.
"locked" (2.3 Dialogs and Docking) just look down the page a little.
"Section 3.6 tagging" (2.3 Dialogs and Docking) not needed right now.

Those links(all in orange, single words to phrases) are just if you don't understand the menu or word(expands on). Just print the parts you need with maybe somethinge like "<-- referenced from "image windows" hand written above so you know what the term was referring to.
Otherwise you will have many papers printed & unorginized.


For the 3rd resource (gimped101) you'll only need that page, you can ignore any "click for more info..." or links on it
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Dec 4, 2013, 07:22 (This post was last modified: Dec 4, 2013 07:23 by Judy.)
Post: #33
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Look, I'm getting sorta dizzy, so I'd appreciate just taking it step by painful step, in order to avoid confusion.

So to proceed with where I left off at Fuzzy Tool - OfNuts stated:

Quote:You can raise the theshold a bit (dirty background) but make sure the selection doesn't bleed inside the subject (one or two pixels is acceptable).
I tried to comprehend this business about "threshhold"
The gist so far seems to me, that when I drag fuzzy tool onto either the background surrounding the eggs, or else onto the bg surrounding the celery,
...and then click the fuzzytool
then that would cause an outline to display surrounding the backgrounds, as well as surrounding the pics which are superimposed on either of the backgrounds.

May I assume the background-area within the outlining to be the "selection" your referring to - and it's that selection which you're wanting to prevent from "bleeding" inside the eggSubject or else the celerySubject?

It occurs to me to ask:
Do you know of any really simple, child-level YT-video tutorial demonstrating animated-text graphics using photoshop or Adobe? Because if there is, then that might help explain to me the most basic concepts which everyone assumes everyone else knows.
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Dec 5, 2013, 05:37
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Uh, the book may be well written, but my goal is a quite basic graphic, sorta along the lines of my PM. Nothing too fancy.

I had asked what you meant by "threshhold" and "bleeding".

I got as far as outlining the eggs & celery (i.e. there were marching ants surrounding the edge of the eggs and the edge of the grey-rectangle surrounding the eggs. Ditto with the celery.

Is it worthwhile proceeding further, or do you think there's a low chance I'll catch on? Actually, there is something I'd gain by quitting & that's less dizziness Wink
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Dec 5, 2013, 09:07 (This post was last modified: Dec 5, 2013 09:08 by iForStyle007.)
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Rainbow RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Dec 5, 2013 05:37)Judy Wrote:  Uh, the book may be well written, but my goal is a quite basic graphic, sorta along the lines of my PM. Nothing too fancy.
.
um, let me recall the below...
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(Dec 2, 2013 22:53)Judy Wrote:  It's much much easier for me to concentrate offline - I get less blurry-eyed, and less gritty-feeling.
With me - Offline is for absorbing, and Online is for acting on what i've attempted absorbing offline.[/b]
ofnuts Wrote:may I offer a book
.
It is ironic that you have to buy a book for a free program though lol but in your case its 50/50

Judy Wrote:Is it worthwhile proceeding further, or do you think there's a low chance I'll catch on? Actually, there is something I'd gain by quitting & that's less dizziness Wink
....And that brings us right back to this question:
(Dec 2, 2013 22:53)Judy Wrote:  Indeed, as my subject title states - are children able to catch on to Gimp? (not savants)
.
My answer: Yes and no, it depends on the individual and their willingness to practice and learn one basic technique first, then learn new tools/techniques as they go along. You won't get very far if you don't try to get it until it works, take breaks if you must, "there is no do, only try" See my assembly manual example in your PM Judy.
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Dec 6, 2013, 05:53 (This post was last modified: Dec 6, 2013 06:04 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Dec 5, 2013 09:21)ofnuts Wrote:  Threshold: one of the options of the Fuzzy selection; tells how close/far from the reference color (the color of the pixel you clicked on) the color of a pixels can be to be included in the selection. Threshold=0: all pixels are exactly the same color.

Bleeding: spill over the edge

So here's where I'm at now (see below attachment)
and its also where i've been at before
...but still don't know what to do with threshhold. Note that at the left it states threshold is approx. 15.1

So is it 15.1 for both the celery and the eggs?

And if I move the slider up to 15.3 would it change to 15.3 for both the celery and the eggs?

Above all:
Why the heck do it altogether??? I mean - it looks to me as if the selection is perfectly outlining the celery
(ditto the eggs).

P.S. It occurs to me that I may be best off learning to trace my amateur penned text/drawing.
So - since the British-accented Donald Duck tutorial (on YouTube) was way too speedy for me to grasp,
...do you know if there's any Step-By-Step EHOW style of instructions for beginners to grasp that Donald Duck Tracing video? I happen to love Ehow, as their articles really know how to instruct people clearly & non-extraneously. Though I must admit I didn't grasp their Gimp article re: Anime Art.
...Back to the topic of YT's DonaldDuck, the British-girl didn't clearly explain to beginners how to achieve the "tracing-paper" layer. It was very very confusing, cuz I could not intuitively make out which was the "tracing paper". And the latter is just one example of my confusion.


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Dec 6, 2013, 06:27 (This post was last modified: Dec 6, 2013 06:28 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
ADDENDUM TO ABOVE

I just fooled around with both the Crop Tool & Move Tool.
The Crop-tool got me nowhere
...I.E. the celery never did get cropped from its grey background

as for the Move Tool - it resulted in [the attached]
frankly, i've ZERO idea what the visible-upper & invisible lower are all about.
   
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Dec 6, 2013, 07:56 (This post was last modified: Dec 6, 2013 08:05 by iForStyle007.)
Post: #38
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
In reply to your last post. The crop tool, there is a setting under the toolbox options(the window on the left under the tools)

[]current layer only

Make sure that's off if you want the whole canvas/image area, to be cropped.

judy Wrote:..I.E. the celery never did get cropped from its grey background
(image)
However...
If your talking about the grey/checkered background, that means your layer has no background and is able to be moved around on the canvas.
Add a layer with an image for the background (or a solid color) if you want to preview the celery on a background.

You can tell if your layer is background clean(transparent background/grey checkerboard) in the "layers dialogue window" also. The thumbnails.

If it were me begining I wouldnt mess with the threshold(you can drag-left-click the Fuzzyselect fuzzy select tool (setting before at 0.0) & control the threshold that way, you'll see how it works better.
I'd just select it with the Freeselect free select tool or the fuzzy select. Copy and paste it into a new layer, then use the eraser to clean up the edges and parts that you don't want to show.

I just logged on today so I'm getting to your PM's lol take care Judy Smile

EDIT:
   
*ALSO: I Just noticed in both your screenshots, your right window is selected on the undo list, not the layers window
If this is a mistake, please click the tab that looks like a stack of papers (layers), should be on the right side of that window to display your layers.
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Dec 8, 2013, 02:56
Post: #39
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Sorry... I'm lost.
Should I (or not) do something about threshhold.
I'm just trying to follow instructions step by step.
(see post #48)

iForStyle, to keep this thread a bit simpler, I'll respond to yours by PM. But only to one part, to avoid complexity, since I'm too lost to respond to all of it.
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Dec 8, 2013, 08:27
Post: #40
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Threshold control

to try and put it simple. The threshold is how much the Fuzzyselect fuzzy select selects parts of your image.

You can control the threshold VISUALLY too (was what I was trying to say:

- click Fuzzyselect fuzzy select tool

- then left(click) drag on the image, try it and see.

- Then let go and it makes the selection.


* * * changing the threshold after the fact takes a little more time, I would set it to "0.0"
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Dec 8, 2013, 17:41 (This post was last modified: Dec 8, 2013 17:51 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
As for my PM, I had quoted another part of your post in the PM. As for Fuzzy-select, all that basically happened by clicking on the image as opposed to the grey background as done a few posts back...
...is that dragging-around inside various areas of the image either selected parts of the image, or nearly-surrounded the entire image, depending upon where I dragged within celery or eggs.

I really don't see what all this is accomplishing to create the following EGGO picture.
I worked hours via Paint & Irfanview to demo this wimpy demo of tutorial I seek:

note it's squashed horizontally so i could get it squished within confines of background limits
   
I HOPE THE ABOVE IS AN IMPROVEMENT OF PIC IN POST # 30 Big Grin - - THAT WAS RUSH JOB

Correct me if i'm wrong - - Seems to me that via Gimp
...I need to select the outline of the Celery.
Then UNtransparentize the Celery.
Ditto for the Eggs.
Then move them via the cross-bar-MoveTool (similar to Paint)

Then find 2 Solid G's from the Text area at left (in font that's Cleanly outlineable)
Then Outline one of the G's
Then Color-In another of the G's

Then learn to put Bullets which i want for Eyes.
Then learn to spike hair - in the way shown in EGGO of this post

I don't think anyone answered whether a child who knows English fluently, can easily learn Gimp basics thru any of the tutorials or videos online?
Were any of them kid-tested? That's the acid test.
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Dec 8, 2013, 18:31 (This post was last modified: Dec 8, 2013 18:43 by Judy.)
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to Rich2005 - re: Egg-celerating
TO RICH2005 AND ALL OTHER MODERATORS / INSTRUCTORS:
I didn't even get to see the Egg-celerating video you worked so hard on - - except on my paper-printout. By then you'd deleted it Confused Huh Huh

See, when I stated that I found "the" video difficult, I was referring to to GimpTricks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LmW5ndnEqw

To better understand where i'm at please to refer to:
Item 2 (Readability & the "Grandma Test") in this User-Friendly WebDesign URL:
http://www.webdesign.org/web-design-basi...21940.html

Can you understand, that 1/2 of 1/2 percent of posters may potentially be "virtual" geriatrics like myself, and that some of us get blurry-eyed when viewing white on black forums.

That's why most mainstream instructional forums are designed:
Dark text on light background.

Not just that, but somehow the layout of this message board causes me to overlook some people's postings.

Again, I emphasize that Geriatric students often miss stuff.
With apologies if there's other geriatrics here who are virtually half my age!

(By "virtually" - i mean the physical aging of body NOT chronological)
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Dec 9, 2013, 00:08 (This post was last modified: Dec 9, 2013 00:09 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Dec 8, 2013 17:41)Judy Wrote:  I don't think anyone answered whether a child who knows English fluently, can easily learn Gimp basics thru any of the tutorials or videos online?
Were any of them kid-tested? That's the acid test.

If you really must insist on having this question answered, Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF2_6N-vnEM

Judy Wrote:Can you understand, that 1/2 of 1/2 percent of posters may potentially be "virtual" geriatrics like myself, and that some of us get blurry-eyed when viewing white on black forums.

You can try changing the forum theme under the "Other Options" box, bottom right
"Board Style"
here:
http://gimpforums.com/usercp.php?action=options
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Dec 10, 2013, 02:43 (This post was last modified: Dec 10, 2013 04:49 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Uh, that isn't a large enough cross-section of kids for true evidence.
Exhibit A would be rejected in Court as not the Whole truth!
Not only that, maybe a patient family member taught him basics?

Come to think of it, forget kids - is there a GIMP forum for Geriatrics?

As for Board Style - which style do I choose to change the forum to a light background?
As soon as I post this response, I'll choose the "GIMP forums" Style & see what gives.

Though by now i'm considering wrapping up this thread and giving up, unless by a miracle, somebody can explain,
in simple language, like the purple-topped gal in my parchment-cone video
how to achieve the above EGGO.

EDIT: iForStyle - the GimpForums Style is definitely an improvement on the Default for Board-Layout, but hey, it's still white in black instead of dark on light.
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Dec 10, 2013, 20:50 (This post was last modified: Dec 10, 2013 20:59 by Judy.)
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Celery Eggo better than eggs - for infants
bear in mind - I'm an Infant Beginner Not Advanced beginner
(more precisely - geriatric genuinewbie)

Unlike me, advanced beginners seek Artsy tips (such as 36-egg array)
Thus eggs-only - - (but - no good for Infants needing to learn to combine 2-pics

What I needed was a Practical-Ugly type of tip to sequentially:

(1) crop celery
(2) crop eggs
(3) combine celery+eggs => letter-E - - to teach Infant-Judy to How-To-Combine
(4) outline two G's
(5) Color one of the outlined G's
(6) bullets inside letter O to form eyes
(7) Spiky hair on letter O

Knowing 1-thru-7 would have taught me what I sought for my personal animated phraseology

So IMO if it's all that hard to teach the EGGO animation to a Newb (I.E. there's not one newb video re: Gimp text-animation) then I must say GIMP has a steep learning curve for those who are true newbs.
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