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Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?

Nov 26, 2013, 05:31
Post: #16
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
To begin, I'll address one of your main issues, forgetting a tool/function. In Gimp it has a (Move) move tool that needs to be clicked before you move around the layers.
If you select the celery with the any one of the selection tools below:
-- Fuzzyselect fuzzy select (click the white background, then "Select > Invert")
(You only have to invert the selection for this or Bycolorselect by color select, since your selecting the background first)
- Freeselect free select/ lasso tool
- Path paths tool (you can control the curves but its a somewhat more advanced tool

You can (before selecting) make a new all white layer & stretch it to the boundaries of the canvas if it isn't already, then select your items & copy & paste on a new layer.
Then delete or hide(eye icon on layers) or move the original to the bottom of the layer stack.

For the rest of your issues I will attempt to answer them inline below to best of my ability ^_^

(Nov 26, 2013 04:27)Judy Wrote:  Why doesn't this forum let me EDIT my post?

To clarify Post #18, how the heck do I create an E with Celery & eggboxes in Gimp?

Remember, there's barely room on the white-background to the right of the celery.
So no room to insert the eggboxes in Paint.

Note I followed the above instructions EXACTLY.
I clicked the A for text tool
Couldn't figure out WHICH font via Toolbox options, since don't yet have the "E" in place
To re-edit your text you need click the tex Text tool again and click *EXACTLY* on the same text you want to edit, otherwise it will create a new text box.

Hence why you constantly get new layers, Gimp treats a new created textbox with text as a new layer. So just be patient & prudent while typing/creating your text & you should be fine.


Quote:When I opened the Celery image, instead of it opening into the whitespace that I had defined,
...instead I saw it display on right side window.
.....then other displays were appearing below that.

I tried clicking on the celery display (in right window).
It then turned navy blue, so tried right-clicking to, say, copy-paste it to the MAIN-MIDDLE edit-area.

But it refuses to do ANYTHING INTUITIVELY!

Make sure your working on the correct layer. If you want to see everything that is on the canvas (there maybe some items off the visible canvas area) go to
"Image > Fit Canvas to layers..."

After that you can rearrange & delete extra layers that you don't need then use the (Crop)crop tool to crop to your liking once you have everything centered.

So try type all your text out first. Then start transforming the letter images(eggs, eyes, celery) after.

if you want to seperate the words location/spacing easier, make a textbox for a whole word, just note you have to click *Directly* on the same text you want to edit. If it doesn't open the editor on that text, your text layer you want to edit might have to be dragged to the top of the stack.

If that's the case, in your layers window/dialogue, drag the text layer you want to edit to the top of the stack, then try to click it with the Text text tool selected again.
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Nov 27, 2013, 12:46 (This post was last modified: Nov 27, 2013 12:55 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Quote:To re-edit your text you need click the tex Text tool again and click *EXACTLY* on the same text you want to edit, otherwise it will create a new text box
Not sure what you mean by stating "same text you want to edit"

It would be clearer if you state:

Left-Click XX, then choose blah blah in dropdown (if that's necessary)
is it necessary??
Then navigate with your mouse to YY and Left-Click there
And where the HECK is YY? that needs to be more descriptive. Unfortunately I'm not psychic.
Then blah blah

Look, i'm afraid we're not getting anywhere. I don't think this is going to work, unless I'm taught the way a small child might be taught.

Such as "hi, little Susie.
Go the that little cabinet (point with finger where it is)
Now open that door (point with finger which door you mean.
Now lift that pink box (no NOT drag, Susie. LIFT.

How do people learn GIMP online? I'm thinking they must have some sort of background in advanced graphics, to catch on to GIMP. Either that, or they're psychic. BTW, I just realized why EDIT failed to work last time. It was because this forum weirdly imposes a choices-popup-box for Quick or Full Edit. But when the textbox you've just typed into, happens to be directly above taskbar, that's when the Quick/Full-Edit choice-box is relegated to no-mans-land, obliterated by the task bar.
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Nov 27, 2013, 13:14 (This post was last modified: Nov 27, 2013 13:15 by iForStyle007.)
Post: #18
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Nov 27, 2013 12:46)Judy Wrote:  
Quote:To re-edit your text you need click the tex Text tool again and click *EXACTLY* on the same text you want to edit, otherwise it will create a new text box
Not sure what you mean by stating "same text you want to edit"

It would be clearer if you state:

Left-Click XX, then choose blah blah in dropdown (if that's necessary)
is it necessary??
Then navigate with your mouse to YY and Left-Click there
And where the HECK is YY? that needs to be more descriptive. Unfortunately I'm not psychic.
Then blah blah

Look, i'm afraid we're not getting anywhere. I don't think this is going to work, unless I'm taught the way a small child might be taught.

Such as "hi, little Susie.
Go the that little cabinet (point with finger where it is)
Now open that door (point with finger which door you mean.
Now lift that pink box (no NOT drag, Susie. LIFT.

How do people learn GIMP online? I'm thinking they must have some sort of background in advanced graphics, to catch on to GIMP. Either that, or they're psychic. BTW, I just realized why EDIT failed to work last time. It was because this forum weirdly imposes a choices-popup-box for Quick or Full Edit. But when the textbox you've just typed into, happens to be directly above taskbar, that's when the Quick/Full-Edit choice-box is relegated to no-mans-land, obliterated by the task bar.

:\ Sorry I don't know what to tell you. Left-click on windows is the implied "click" because you use it for most common daily tasks, more than right-click.
If you need to right-click I would have said so. The right mouse click is an alternate button used for special options seldom used.

The textbox has a bounding box (rectangle with marching ants around it) looks like this
Rectselect
If you click the Text Text tool anywhere besides where you first typed your text, there's a good chance it will create a new text layer instead. Thats what I was trying to say.

I'll try to get up a short vid tutorial this week on how to use the text tool. I'm sure there are some on youtube but they are quite long so you have to hunt for your specific issue.
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Nov 27, 2013, 14:32 (This post was last modified: Nov 27, 2013 14:36 by Judy.)
Post: #19
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Actually, that's not so necessary.
It's probably better if you'd create the EGG-CELERATING PHRASEOLOGY
(in whichever works easiest for a Newb, be it Gimp or Inkscape)

Then, every "dumb" keystroke you do during that process,
just type that keystroke as instructions - as if you're instructing a robot instead of human
(or perhaps a child instead of adult)

If you're navigating to the left window, state so.
mid-window, state so.
Choosing from drop-down, state so.

Otherwise, how can I not glitch? I know how to follow instructions, but only step-by-step ones, rather than ones addressed to more advanced users.

That's what i've sought from the begining, but at this point despairing.
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Nov 28, 2013, 06:49
Post: #20
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Nov 27, 2013 14:32)Judy Wrote:  Actually, that's not so necessary.
It's probably better if you'd create the EGG-CELERATING PHRASEOLOGY
(in whichever works easiest for a Newb, be it Gimp or Inkscape)
.
.
.
Otherwise, how can I not glitch? I know how to follow instructions, but only step-by-step ones, rather than ones addressed to more advanced users.

That's what i've sought from the begining, but at this point despairing.
What I thought you would try is since the "E" is the image of the celery, you would put the art in after typing the words so you can line it up easier. But lets take a break from that for now.

What I think would really help is if you study/do some homework on gimp terminology/layout because most if not all who come here have a small background using photoshop and are seeking a free alternative.
All the gimp windows have titles at the top and the menu's are CLEARLY defined as such.
Plus, some terms are shared between the programs (like layers & canvas) in gimp the canvas is also called the image window.

To find out what a tool is, you can use the gimp documentation online(help files) or hover your mouse over the tools in Gimp.
in your browser search engine: type "toolName doc gimp"

Your H.w. Assignment for this week, Wednesday, Thursday or Saturday
I strongly recommend you check out the below resources to save yourself from any future frustration Judy.
Brush up on your terminology (at least the basics) especially what each main window/dialogue boxes are called.

Written studies
2.2 Image window:
http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-image-window.html

2.3 Dialogs and Docking concepts (windows) :
http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-concepts-docks.html

TEXT MANAGEMENT
Complete with pictures:
http://gimped101.blogspot.com/2009/12/text-tool.html

Video study:
Gimp Basics (tools & menu):
11minute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LmW5ndnEqw
video courtesy of a generous gimp user
Please watch this video as it's an exercise covering everything from opening a new document, to using tools, typing text(2:5o)
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Nov 28, 2013, 10:13
Post: #21
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Nov 27, 2013 14:42)ofnuts Wrote:  In other words, the main image window is the stack of layers seen from the top, and the Layers list is the stack of image seen from the side...

The layer hilighted in blue in that list is the one on which the tools (and most filters) act. Right-clicking on any layer in that list elicits a list of possible actions using that layer (but there is no action "Copy layer to clipboard").
Hmm..thanks for the explanation. (i might be "sorta" getting it in a floundering way).
... I assume you meant that the Center(Main) window is an overhead view of all the layers simultaneously shown in the Right-window, so that what you see on the Center(Main) Window is the topmost one of all the layers which are also shown in the Right-window?

P.S. Even before posting my question, Of Course i checked out video options, and Of Course i went thru that video which iForStyle linked here. That video was Zero clear to me. Which is why i began posting. With all her generosity, I totally didn't gain anything from her video.
Consider this:
If you were a total newb, how on earth would that video help you create the pic which i sent you via PM?

May I give you an example of my thought process?
Way Back, decades ago, everyone in my class (but me) were mastering the typewriter (except me, of course). Here's why: The idiot teacher was telling us, if you want to Capitalize, press Shift and the letter you want to capitalize. So I literally followed her instructions (just like Amelia Bedelia storybooks). I pressed Shift, then released it. I then pressed A. Of course, the A was not uppercase.
So, God, why is my brain wired to diametrically opposite to others? To torture me? Huh
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Nov 28, 2013, 10:27 (This post was last modified: Nov 28, 2013 10:50 by Judy.)
Post: #22
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
P.S. I just now noted that the written tutorial isn't so newb friendly, because if I'd wish to print it, it's incomplete due to embedded links. A more user friendly way, is printable consecutively, without links. Links are virtual "minefields" - ambushing you everywhere you browse.
[tiny]Just like medical schools have ruined med.students due to lack of empathy training, similarly, tech-schools are ruining designers & software programmers by dint of omitting empathy training (such as the placement of dark lettering on light background, for the sake of people with poorer/blurry sight.[/tiny]

For crying out loud, can't you just tell me how to get the celery and eggboxes arranged onto GIMP?

How about this SIMPLE SIMPLE IDEA, THAT SHOULD HELP ME ALOT:

Instead of egg-cellerating, just Demo this one word - to serve the purpose of Rough Demo for me:

Eggo

Where the E is the celery & eggboxes (also the eggboxes should overlay the celery a bit)
the first "g" is an outlined-font colored in pink
the 2nd "g" is an outlined-font with zero coloring (transparent)
Finally, the "o" of Eggo has:
..tiny bullets for eyes, and some hair on top of the "o" that's in CURVY SPIKES
FORGET THE NOSE & MOUTH (NO NEED)
Then, after that, I just wish to know how to rotate images by tiny increments rather than 45-degree revolutions.

Once I have that pat, I might be able to figure it out on my own.
Thanks.
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Nov 28, 2013, 13:07
Post: #23
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Nov 28, 2013 10:27)Judy Wrote:  Where the E is the celery & eggboxes (also the eggboxes should overlay the celery a bit)
the first "g" is an outlined-font colored in pink
the 2nd "g" is an outlined-font with zero coloring (transparent)
Finally, the "o" of Eggo has:
..tiny bullets for eyes, and some hair on top of the "o" that's in CURVY SPIKES
FORGET THE NOSE & MOUTH (NO NEED)
Then, after that, I just wish to know how to rotate images by tiny increments rather than 45-degree revolutions.

Once I have that pat, I might be able to figure it out on my own.
Thanks.

Ok ^_^ now you have your gameplan, we can start from there.
It could take awhile though due to your grasp of Gimp basics/terminology & how to do the multiple text fonts edits. When is the contest due?

At this point you have to ask yourself:
-Do you want to do it as a learning experience?
-Or do you want to get it done for the contest (or both?)

If there isn't enough days (we'd need another week.) Art shouldn't be rushed if you want it to look good and maybe win.

There are also other forums, but if the timespan is short, you risk having to rebuild your request, we already know(kinda) what your vision is.

Judy Wrote:P.S. I just now noted that the written tutorial isn't so newb friendly, because if I'd wish to print it, it's incomplete due to embedded links. A more user friendly way, is printable consecutively, without links. Links are virtual "minefields" - ambushing you everywhere you browse.
This is a bit confusing, did you mean my first tutorials on the start of your thread? or do you mean the study links I provided to you?

If you mean the h.w./studies in the above post, feel free to read through them at your leisure to better understand Gimps mechanic.
Also, that video I linked you was very clear I have a hard time believing your thought process is wired in such a way that would make it too difficult.
Practice makes perfect, so do the exercise in the video, its pretty clear, you can even pause the video and do it at your own pace.
Set aside some quiet time(or if classical music with no words helps, play that in the background while you watch the video)

Have notepad/paper & a pencil or pen on hand while you watch the video I linked to you & while doing the exercise just in case, and jot down notes/questions.
Then after or in the middle of the exercise you can ask about something that didn't work quite right in the video. You learn through practice.
(If you had just listened to your teacher saying to push shift to captilize, but didn't push the "a" key, you wouldn't have found out that just pushing the shift key and then pushing the "a" key didn't captilize it. You learned that you need to push both at the same time.)
Same for the written/reading material, draw an outline or jot down notes about the written studies. Maybe questions about what is covered if you want.
You can do this project but it will take sometime and cooperation from you.
So please re-look over these materials when you have the time. In the meantime, I'll try to make a mini-gif of how the process might go(albiet very draft version)
refering to materials in post linked here:
http://gimpforums.com/thread-any-child-l...9#pid23369
-------------------------------

I got your PM, I thought the graphic artist did an ok job. Cool logo too so far Smile
I sent you a reply, it corresponds with this whole post, in attempt to tie everything together so we can get your project done sooner.
I'd do a demo video, but

Judy Wrote:Yesterday 14:32
Actually, that's not so necessary.
It's probably better if you'd create the EGG-CELERATING PHRASEOLOGY
(in whichever works easiest for a Newb, be it Gimp or Inkscape)
So I'll try to put up a pic or two with the info I have while you practice using gimp.
I'll use just the egg cartons & the celery, and add my own text. It will be up to you to do the rest. But I'll try my best to make the steps shorter & easier to understand(assuming you brush up on the basics & have practiced the video exercise first.)
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Nov 29, 2013, 20:48 (This post was last modified: Nov 29, 2013 20:50 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
well as per the PM, I spent approx. the past hour cranking out the attached sample. Confused
   

You only see a tiny bit of the celery in background, since I couldn't figure out how to not obliterate it.

I had chosen the Transparent option, yet it was still zapped out.
Paint didn't enable insertion of the eggs without truncating the right sides of them.
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Nov 30, 2013, 08:19 (This post was last modified: Nov 30, 2013 08:22 by iForStyle007.)
Post: #25
RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Of's idea is cool!

Here is my last try with your project
=====================
Here is an attempted shorter/simplified tutorial on how to get your images with words/text
(assuming you've did all your homework at this point)
1. Import images
2. Use color to alpha "Colors > Color to alpha" on any layer you don't want the white background to show.
[Image: attachment.php?aid=2740]
(the problem you got with putting the egg cartons hiding the celery)
Or you can try Foregroundselect foreground selec tool. Check image status bar for help with it.
-layer background turns blue, under "Toolbox options" of foreground select tool,
adjust the brush size to fit and fill in your object.
*background of the current layer should be all blue, & there should be no blue on the object itself.
Then push enter to make the selection. (marching ants...)
(the opposite was true in my case, the object was all blue.)
Push delete, if the image dissapears, invert your selection before you push delete.
"Select > invert.."
4.
This is what your work area image/canvas should look like by now:
   
After you've composed your "E" and "P" metal part with pacing shoe(see image below)
You can now start with the text.
Type your phrase like below, omitting your "E" and "P" since those are images (for now you will have two text box/ text layers)
The font I used is: AR DELANEY THIN
Pick the exact settings for text as seen in the screenshot or it might be hard to take the middle part out. (see: letters that are just outlines)
   
If you want to remove the black in the middle, after you type, click the :fuzzy: fuzzy select tool, then only have these options enabled:
[x]Sample merged
Threshold "0.0"
Select by: "Composite"
Then click (*left)-drag the fuzzy select tool over the middle part of one letter to select the inside, let go, than push delete.
"...GG-CELERATING THE"
"...ACE OF FERTILITY"
You may want to make two or more text boxes to make spacing between the Art letters "E" & "P" and whatever letters easier to line up/move around.
Good luck with this part just try to do it I'm not instructing this part because it's covered in my first tutorial, just try to do the text part as far as you can get, if you get any problems post up your question.
Next is a matter of resizing the the text if its too small. (on the layers window, drag the text layer you want to edit to the top of the stack for easier editing.)
Click the text tool, then click on your text Then highlight the text once its active (the highlight will be yellow or blue), then you can change the text size.
When your done it should look something like the below:
Click for detailed version, only the first picture is not a link
   

Below is an attached .XCF (gimp file) that you can play around with to practice/learn from.
It has most if not all of the layers, though the "E" is unscaled.


Attached File(s) Thumbnail(s)
   
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Nov 30, 2013, 12:38 (This post was last modified: Dec 1, 2013 19:44 by rich2005.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
@Judy

I thought you had it sorted, after all the reams of 'how-to' that has been produced, even using M$ Paint. But..
Quote:I spent approx. the past hour cranking out the attached sample.
You only see a tiny bit of the celery in background, since I couldn't figure out how to not obliterate it.
Maybe not.

I did this video a couple of days ago then put it on hold. Might still be useful.

edit: Had a feeling it was going to be a waste of time.
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Dec 1, 2013, 19:18 (This post was last modified: Dec 1, 2013 19:23 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
OK, everyone, consider this an "interim" reply, to bridge the gap of not keeping y'all waiting. Since I'm electrosensitive I have to take some breaks from computer occasionally.

So since my head & eyes concentrate better offline,
I first tried the:
MyBB's Printable View
...of your latest responses, whereupon some of your attachments failed to show.
I next tried the:
Firefox Preview
...broadened the margins in Firefox, reduced to 70% and Blanked headers/footers,
...thereby achieving a 4-sheet printout so I can better concentrate (offline) without EMFs zapping me.

[TinyFont]As an aside, since the topic is graphics anyway, I should emphasize again that white lettering on dark background isn't user-friendly to some sensitives and for the elderly. Best for the majority of us is Dark (such as black, navy, purple) lettering on a pale-grey or pale blue background.[/TinyFont]

Now for some responses:
So sorry! I just now noticed OfNuts' previous response re: transparent layers, including checkerboard pattern wherever transparencies show up thru all the layering. Thanks again for your clear explanations Smile though I personally haven't yet seen checkerboard pattern, since I had not learned to work with layers on the Main Window --yet--.

iForStyle, the contest deadline offers a few weeks yet. I appreciate all you guys' efforts - thanks so much!

Note though - no matter what you think to be true re: my high school teacher, she was ==not== clear. She ==did== fail to emphasize that you must hold the two keys down simultaneously.
I know how to follow instructions - when conveyed clearly.

As for that video, remember I said I had given it a shot even prior to searching for forums. Please understand i'm like a cat on hot tin roof due to decades exposure to radiation. When I tried ==REALLY TRIED== understanding that video, I felt like I was ready to jump out of my skin.
HERE'S PERFECT JUXTAPOSED EXAMPLES RE: MY STYLE
Here's 2 sample videos. The 1st Cone video i DO find clear.
...Compare that to the 2nd Cone video where i jump outta my skin.
Good Cone Tutor => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-rb4BR_dgI
???? Cone Tutor => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHpoBOEkTZc

Now off to read your EggCellent??? responses offline.

P.S. regarding this P.S.please only comment via PM - thanks for the thumbs-up re: my PM, though the graphic artist truly wasn't professional - she was quite nonchalant & imperfect. In fact, the version you saw was after my being compelled to edit for hours via Paint and IrfanView (making the H's wider, stretching her weird swirl horizontally, thinning the "N" to give more white-space on right of H, and respectfully requesting of her to redo the pool to look like my original-drawn pic. Her version was not faithfully copied to resemble mine. Hers previously looked a bit like a drumstick - same size on both sides, instead of what I had penned, yet she still didn't get it right in the version you saw. As for what its ahbout? My vision is to enable extremely toxified people to self-help by replacing phony re"sauces".
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Dec 2, 2013, 10:07 (This post was last modified: Dec 2, 2013 10:39 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Update to above post:
I decided to ask Qs as they arise.
So.. see my attached Color-to-Alpha JPG, since I can't figure out how to select Color - since it's Greyed-out.

P.S. OfNuts, while your ideas, and your EGG array-of-eggs (and lite-switch family) are cute, it's not actually the theme of my project Wink Thanks. Speak of your lite-family, how do you like this:
JUNK.GLE family staceyransom.com/data/photos/53_105_OddJunkSetWlb.jpg. The latter needs updating to include Toxic EMFs of - WIFI, Non_smartMeters, CFL_bulbs, DECTphones, much more.

Back to my Color-to-Alpha Q:
   
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Dec 2, 2013, 11:05 (This post was last modified: Dec 2, 2013 11:08 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
(Dec 2, 2013 10:22)ofnuts Wrote:  Your egg box is an "indexed-color" image, you have to convert it to a plain full-color image (aka "RGB") to be able to do thing related to colors. This is done with "Image/Mode/RGB".

Oh. So does the below look OK? I didn't understand re: foreground select so skipped

By item #4 of iForStyle, there's no E, nor "horseshoe"
rather there's this (I thought both Eggs & celery are supposed to be in right window (Showing Layers?
   

OK, gotta take a good break now. My eyes are like sandpaper.
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Dec 2, 2013, 22:53 (This post was last modified: Dec 2, 2013 23:30 by Judy.)
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RE: Any child-level tutorial - to accomplish this?
Well, I imported the celery & eggs again (deepest apologies to OfNuts if the thought of eggs affect your liver Wink

Then I clicked Select.

But did not see "Fuzzy" among the choices.
...OOPS - JUST NOW SAW THE TOOLS LISTED IN POST #20 BY iForStyle. Sorry!
.....I'm going back again, to read it. Thanks so much iForStyle, for going the 9 yards.

...the following is way over my head:

Quote:You can raise the theshold a bit (dirty background) but make sure the selection doesn't bleed inside the subject (one or two pixels is acceptable).

Ditto re: the explanations accompanying the blue+red and yellow+red pics.

I'm tending to agree now that I may have jumped in the deep end, since I can't grasp the minimal vocabulary required for learning Gimp.
Indeed, as my subject title states - are children able to catch on to Gimp? (not savants)

Can you please humor me re: this basic question:
Is there any simple way enabling me to make a "duplicate copy" of my penned idea onto computer without it resulting in a greyish looseleaf background, such as the PM i've sent you? I.E. just rid me of the drab background - just as if I'd scanned it via scanner?

Update: I just went back again to iForStyle's linked assignments linked to Gimp.org.
QUESTION: Is there a printable version - which would also include all the "see this" URLs linked by Gimp?
It's much much easier for me to concentrate offline - I get less blurry-eyed, and less gritty-feeling.
With me - Offline is for absorbing, and Online is for acting on what i've attempted absorbing offline.
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