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Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?

Nov 14, 2013, 14:08
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Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Need advice on what will be better than GIMP (Linux) for this type of workflow:
fast processing of the tens of files, jpg to jpg: open, levels, sometimes color rorrection, scale, unsharp, export as jpg with web setting, not camera settings.

For now, GIMP is my main program because of familiar look and easyness of use, but it was designed for an opposite use, and is counter-productive for this kind of workflow.

Here is link to what use it was intended for vs similar to mine workflow: http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-dev...-preserved

And similar to mine problem experienced by another user: http://gimpforums.com/thread-gimp-2-8-le...ogue-boxes

So far I went through:

ImageMagick
DigiCam
DarkRoom
Shotwell
GwenView

... still GIMP provides better results much faster.

Anything else that I'm missing? I was under impression that with wide use of the Web there bound to be some Linux software for a fast mass editing.

Thanks.
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Nov 14, 2013, 16:49 (This post was last modified: Nov 14, 2013 16:52 by rich2005.)
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Quote:Need advice on what will be better than GIMP (Linux) for this type of workflow:
fast processing of the tens of files, jpg to jpg: open, levels, sometimes color rorrection, scale, unsharp, export as jpg with web setting, not camera settings.
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Anything else that I'm missing? I was under impression that with wide use of the Web there bound to be some Linux software for a fast mass editing.

I can see a couple of contradictions between "fast mass editing" and say "sometimes color correction" mass implies batch processing and that tends to be all-or-nothing with no user (ie sometimes) intervention.

Sticking with Gimp for the moment. There is the Bimp plugin http://registry.gimp.org/node/26259

A real scroll of several consectutive screenshots and in PClinuxOS - not in line because it is long.
http://i.imgur.com/ViO5Ez8.jpg
top to bottom
1. select all the images in a folder
2. tweak the levels
3. colour correction
4. resize the images
(missed the unsharp mask from the shots but it is there)
5. resave as a jpeg with user settings
6. save the batch sequence to file in case it is required again.

Non-Gimp that you have not already dismissed.

There is a version of XnViewMp for linux, it will batch convert with your requirements and save the conversion sequence to a script for later use.

Then there is Phatch - not one of my favourites - not installed at the moment so I can not say if it will save a sequence of actions.
here is the blurb
Phatch is an easy-to-use GUI photo batch processor which handles all
popular image formats and can handle (sub)folder hierarchies. It provides
many features, such as resize, rotate, rename, shadows, watermarks, rounded
corners, masks, perspective, and more.

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Nov 14, 2013, 20:51
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Faststone Image Viewer does really good batch processing of all that stuff. And more.

Too bad it's only Windows.

I feel your pain.
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Nov 14, 2013, 21:35
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Sometimes in linux you can run these windows applications in WINE, but re-reading the links the OP refered to

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Is there any way to set default JPG/PNG/whatever export settings?.. ..Fortunately a lot of work like this can be dealt with by David's Batch Processor, but that doesn't address situations where you are altering each image file in unique ways.
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then both threads tended to degenerate into the save v. export argument which is waste of time, not going to change.

It is that phrase 'altering each image file in unique ways' that is the snag. The batch processing can be done several ways / several applications but maybe what is required is some sort of 'macro' function to run some preset actions in addition to individual tweaks. No macro function in Gimp.

Like paynejk said there is Photivo. I have this running in my PClinuxOS and I can shell out of Gimp into Photivo then back to Gimp, excellent application but fast it is not.

Probably using it standalone with a saved profile is going to be the best bet, bit of a learning curve though.

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Nov 15, 2013, 05:21 (This post was last modified: Nov 16, 2013 05:42 by iForStyle007.)
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Hey, I have a couple suggestions on my reply to your intro.

Also, check out this page
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/softwar...st-1147722

Open the "Find next/search" feature for looking up words in your browser for the current page your on.

Type: Photo Management (push enter if need)

Scroll down a bit until you see "Verdict" digiKam is a free batch-related photo editor that's free.
The other free ones are Darktable & Fotoxx (also looks to be a good batch-editor) then there's gimp, the others are either trial or paid.

Apologies if any of these we're mentioned in this thread already, I'm trying to get up to speed, been busy most this week. Good luck finding a program to work alongside Gimp Smile

ok, ow, you even replied to someone who referred you to a windows-only program >_>...

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Nov 15, 2013, 13:35
Post: #6
RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Thanks, everybody!

paynekj:
- I'll try Photivo, I didn't know about it.

- With scripts, I never used them. Can you point where to find them (or what tems use in the search) and where to insert them (or how to find "how to" information about it). Is it the same as a macro function, that doesn't not exist in GIMP, as rich2005 pointed?

- If nothing of this helps, I'll try to install old version, 2.6.x. But again I don't know how to do that, repositories have only new version, and Update Manager in Linux makes updates automatically. I may find .deb package at GIMP website and insatll it, but will it be automatically upgraded by Update Manager? And in future GIMP will continue to develops in the same direction, I will have to start to look for alternative again.

- It's not only save/export that impedes workflow, also after resizing window shrinks to 25%, 3/4 of menu become not available and image too small. I have each time go to to View > Show 100%, completely unneccesary operation if there was a choice.

rich2005:
"I can see a couple of contradictions between "fast mass editing" and say "sometimes color correction" mass implies batch processing and that tends to be all-or-nothing with no user (ie sometimes) intervention."

Believe it or not, I have to do it fast (this is not a leisure activity) and my workflow doesn't allow batch processing, I have to work with every image individually. Different cropping, rotate, levels, color correction, even Unsharp settings. Not for every image, in different combinations, for maybe 70% of images.

I'm not arguing about save vs export, but asking if alternative to GIMP for this type of workflow exists. I really like GIMP and appreciate all the work done to create it, but have to make sure that this is the best tool for a job).

And I couldn't make WINE work on my computer, istalled and it didn't work.

Switching from GIMP to Photivo, them back to GIMP, adds a lot of work: I already previewing thumbnais in GwenView (pre-sorting), renaming them to proper order for GIMP in Geeque (it makes changes in real files, unlike GwenView, DigiKam or Shotwell), then editing in GIMP.

btraven:
For Windows, IrfanView is good enough.

Thanks again, appreciate your help!
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Nov 19, 2013, 03:44
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Maybe you can optimize GIMP to better fit your workflow. Have you tried the Save for Web plugin: http://registry.gimp.org/node/33

The problem you have with the window shrinking after you scale the image: Does it happen in single-window mode? What about when the image window is maximized? (Forgive me, I speak Windows but not Linux.)

As for save/export, I would handle your workflow in GIMP 2.8 like this:
1. Copy the original files into a new directory and work only on the copies.
2. Open a file, edit it, scale and sharpen it.
3. Save the file using File-Save for Web. Or File-Overwrite if you can trust your .jpg defaults.
4. Type Control-W followed by Alt-W to close the file without saving an .xcf.
5. Repeat steps 2-4.

If the Save for Web plugin doesn't work for you, and if you can't trust the "Save Defaults" button to save your .jpg settings, then maybe this: Edit individual files as above, using File-Overwrite to save them. Then run a Bimp batch process to resave them all at once at the correct settings. Which is a pain, but less of a pain than entering settings for each individual file as you save it.

I wish I could recommend alternate Linux software, but you've already explored everything I know about. Best of luck.
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Nov 23, 2013, 12:14 (This post was last modified: Nov 23, 2013 12:18 by HGJ98.)
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Thank you!
I didn't think about trying maximized window, it works very well for keeping menu accessible but image is still small, have to increase View to 100% to be able to see details. All this happens in single window mode.

Plugin "Save for the web" may work, but a couple of days ago I found beta-version of XnView MP, it's not free, but solves problem of fast work in my workflow.

It has own thumbnail browser, no more jumping between GwenView and GIMP. No need to save files in different directory, loading defaults each time (they are not loading by themselves), go to View to make it 100%, trying drag to make selection for cropping with Adjust Levels jumping on you instead (last operation used).

May be because it's multi-platform and uses some ... I don't know, libraries? that provide functionality expected from older Windows. Much faster, no unnecessary additional steps to accommodate editing program. No constant switching between keyboard and mouse.

I will use GIMP too for some files that require more fine tuning, GIMP has white point dropper, black and grey too, lacking for now in XnView MP. Besides, I just like the look of GIMP.

Thank you very much, everybody!
It's good to know about limits GIMP could be pushed to in order to make it work for one's workflow.
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Nov 23, 2013, 13:00 (This post was last modified: Nov 23, 2013 13:04 by rich2005.)
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
Hmm..
Quote:.....but a couple of days ago I found beta-version of XnView MP, it's not free, but solves problem of fast work in my workflow.

The OP should have read post #3 a little more closely

Quote:Non-Gimp that you have not already dismissed.
There is a version of XnViewMp for linux, it will batch convert with your requirements and save the conversion sequence to a script for later use.

Just to prevent anyone being put off XnViewMP it is free, for private or educational use. Although I am sure a donation would be more than welcome. There are versions for all platforms.

see: http://www.xnview.com/en/xnviewmp/#downloads
and
http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=28399

I do not know about other distros, but XnViewMP is packaged/maintained for PClinuxOS and is in the repo, although it is very self contained and easy to install from the above packages.

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Nov 23, 2013, 13:18
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RE: Alternative to GIMP for a different workflow?
I am sure that is part of the solution, if you read the original post including the the references to batch processing. Then to me it seems that;
Some sort of macro to apply a range of preset functions to an image
Followed by some optional manual tweaking.
Then as you say a quick way to save/close and onto next image.

It is the lack of a macro function in Gimp that is a stumbling block. Not everyone has the desire to write bespoke scripts for their own use.

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